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AikiWeb System 08-08-2004 12:30 AM

Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
AikiWeb Poll for the week of August 8, 2004:

How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
  • I don't do aikido
  • Critically meaningful
  • Very meaningful
  • Somewhat meaningful
  • Not very meaningful
  • Not at all meaningful
Here are the current results.

kironin 08-09-2004 11:15 PM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
Meaningful and important are not exactly equivalent so the answers you offer are little weird given the question.

in the scheme of things going on in the dojo overall ranking system is not that important however it may however be quite meaningful as a process where members come together to help each other to progress in rank and then all come together on a test to cheer each other on.

tiyler_durden 08-10-2004 01:59 AM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
Hi,

I found this quite hard to vote on as in my Dojo the ranking system is more of a means to stop the boys from brawling as there is a huge power struggle in my dojo.
I personally don't think rank should matter at all in any dojo as Aikido is supposed to be "Fun" and enjoyed by all,right!?
Yet in my dojo it is more of a power struggle for who is better than the next person!

Sad but true!

akiy 08-10-2004 05:05 PM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
Quote:

Craig Hocker wrote:
Meaningful and important are not exactly equivalent so the answers you offer are little weird given the question.

Oops -- my mistake. I've changed the wording of the answers and have reset the data collection...

-- Jun

kironin 08-10-2004 05:27 PM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
Quote:

Tiyler Durden wrote:
Yet in my dojo it is more of a power struggle for who is better than the next person!


This really comes down to a matter of leadership.

Craig

Tim Griffiths 08-11-2004 06:32 AM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
In our dojo at least, the ranking is meaningful in that is reflects well the abilities of the students.
The highest rank in our dojo is sandan, so there's not really any trouble seeing who's aikido is 'better'. Of course, there are very good students working their way up the ranks, but they'll quickly find their level (we occasionally allow students to skip a kyu grade if the obviously can perform at a higher level).
This stops working if you have several 5th-6th dans, where what is 'better' is more a matter of style than skill. However, even here the ranking is meaningful, it just has a different meaning, with levels of responsibility, seniority etc.

Tim

Robert Cheshire 08-11-2004 08:31 AM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
I would tend to agree with Craig's first post. It is a means by which you can know who to go to for help and who might need extra encouragement. The Yoseikan World Federation has everybody wear the same belt from beginer to soke. This is suppose to show that we are all in this together and not to have ego's about what belt I wear and what one you wear. There is still rank, but, it's not shown around the waist. The only problem that exist is that you have to be very observant of the abilities of the person you are throwing and not throw with an advanced throw they don't have the ukemi skills for.

Charles Bergman 08-12-2004 08:25 AM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
Quote:

Robert Cheshire wrote:
I The only problem that exist is that you have to be very observant of the abilities of the person you are throwing and not throw with an advanced throw they don't have the ukemi skills for.


Certianly a "rank" system, regardless of how sophisticated it is (i.e. white, brown, black or 12 different colors) helps you to gauage the experience of uke and govern yourself accordingly.

In addition, it allows the instructor, especially in a large dojo, to gauge the experinece of the class they are teaching and craft the lesson plan accordingly.

Rank also helps to create an attmosphere of discipline, which is a major reason many people seek out martial arts training. While rank structure in many dojos isn't as rigid as it was originally meant to be when martial arts were part of the military, it still creates a structured environment, which sets a tone for training.

While O'Sensei always encouraged a "joyful" atmosphere in the dojo, martial arts techinques need to be practiced in a safe environment as well. Having someone "in charge" helps avoid the type of horseplay among junior students that can lead to injury.

Finally, having a rank system, even a simple one, that makes it easy to identify an instructor or senior student makes it easier for newer students to know who to go to if they have a question or problem.

These are just a few of my thoughts on rank.

Arigato

Hagen Seibert 08-12-2004 03:51 PM

Re: Poll: How meaningful do you think the ranking system is in your aikido dojo?
 
Meaningful in reference to what ?

a) in relation to the rank-holders abilities
IŽd answer "not"

b) in reference to the fuss done about it
IŽd say "much"


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