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ikkitosennomusha 03-12-2004 10:09 PM

Yonkyo
 
How many of you have trouble finding the yonkyo pin? Also, have you ever had your instructor to name techniques as "gokyo", "rokkyo", "nanakyo", etc.?

maynard 03-13-2004 12:27 PM

I believe gokyo in our dojo is similar to ikkyo, but performed from the inside. I have not heard of the others.

John

ikkitosennomusha 03-13-2004 02:01 PM

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John Murray (maynard) wrote:
I believe gokyo in our dojo is similar to ikkyo, but performed from the inside. I have not heard of the others.

John

Hi John!

Most know up to gokyo which is sort of an arm bar version of ikkyo. Gokyo of course means "5th teaching" and many of you will never hear the terms "6th teaching, 7th teaching" and so on. So most of you might feel there were no numbered teachings beyonf 5. Now, In Tomiki-ryu, they do not use this terminology, rather they try to verbally explain the technique. Aikikai uses the "Ikkyo" and so forth.

Back on the topic, many of you I am sure have performed Rokkyo and so on and just did not know it was the 6th teaching. With a little research, you will see what I mean. Thanks for the reply!

regards,

Brad Medling

Gilles D'Hoker 03-13-2004 03:09 PM

In our dojo the are a few, like myself, where yonkyo has no effect... Are we doing something wrong or is normal?

Gokyo we often perform, if we attack with a knife or 'tanto'

Doka 03-13-2004 05:52 PM

Maybe your Yonkyo does not work because you are doing it as Yonkyo instead of Yonkajo?

Noel 03-13-2004 07:15 PM

Yonkyo can give control of the arm without pain...

Uke goes down a lot faster if you do find the nerve, though.

Gilles, Gilles, you just haven't practiced with someone either sufficiently advanced, or sufficiently nasty. I used to think like you, then I met a guy from Syracuse, NY at a seminar... Ouch :o

WylMorris 03-14-2004 02:10 AM

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Noel Kurth (Noel) wrote:
Gilles, Gilles, you just haven't practiced with someone either sufficiently advanced, or sufficiently nasty. I used to think like you, then I met a guy from Syracuse, NY at a seminar... Ouch :o

On a related note, I never quite had a Sankyo like the one I got from my instructor today. I'm still feeling that one. And I thought I had a pretty good Sankyo....

Josh Bisker 03-14-2004 04:09 AM

Wyl,

It's definitely:

"Now cracks a noble heart. Good night, sweet prince, / And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest." I think even in the first quarto (the "bad" quarto), the lines are like this. In a new norton shakespeare edit it's lines 5.2.302-3; whatever version you've got should be around there. But come on man, this is Shakespeare. This is important stuff.

Kensai 03-14-2004 05:03 AM

I've really started to love Yonkyo resently. Although having the pressure point makes Uke make funny faces, I'd rather have more hop power for a faster take down than mess about finding the nerve....

Resently I've found that Yonkyo is probably the one of the easier techniques to use as a counter.

Mark Jakabcsin 03-14-2004 05:59 AM

Here's a thread on this topic from a year ago.

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...?threadid=3483


mark j.

batemanb 03-14-2004 01:57 PM

You don`t need to get the nerve to do yonkyo, it`s just a bonus if you do. If you`ve taken uke`s balance, and use the stretch, it should still work fine. There are four nerve points for yonkyo, two on each side of the arm, left and right. Don`t try to find them, the harder you try, the less effective they are. If you the knuckle at the base of the index finger softly, you`ll have a better chance.

Gokkyo is a variation on Ikkyo, used for knife attacks. Basically reverses the way you take uke`s arm to lessen your chances of getting cut. The finishing pin is a bit more brutal too, in order to get uke to release the knife, if he can ;)

Rokkyo as has been taught to me here in the UK, is pretty much the same as the hiji shime taught to me in Japan.

I`ve not personally heard of nanakyo or higher.

Regards

Bryan

Bushi 03-14-2004 03:10 PM

I have a hard time getting yonkyo some times too. Mostly on big muscular guys. It's realy effective when you do get it though :D. If you realy want to get it on someone, the yawarra stick has never failed me ;).

About gokyo: I learned that the only difference betwean gokyo and Ikkyo was that with gokyo, the thumb is on top, and the fingers on the bottom of the wrist, where with Ikkyo, it's more like you are holding onto a bicicle handle, with the thumb on bottom, and fingers on top (that's with a mountain bike anyway...)

ikkitosennomusha 03-14-2004 03:36 PM

I had to go beyond the dojo I was in the learn the yonkyo pin corectly. Sadly on my early kyu exams, we just had to fake the pin or try to get a stretch to make uke tap. Yonkyo is a tricky thing and No one will get it nless they have been instructed by somone really advanced. My nidan sensei at the time did not even know how.

Now, I have been taught by a couple aikido greats and it never fails. Bryan is basically right alothough there are a few more points to consider. I will apply the usual nerve pin only once which usually works and if not, I waste no time by going into something that will never fail! Maybe I can explain later. Gotta run for now.

Brad Medling


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