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ikkitosennomusha 03-12-2004 10:59 PM

Shihonage
 
How many of you often find it difficult to keep uke from spinning out of you shihonage?

p00kiethebear 03-13-2004 01:34 AM

Try keeping their arm infront of you, and maintain tension. Don't let their hand drift behind your head.

shihonage 03-13-2004 03:49 AM

You may need to shorten the technique if the uke decides to get tricky.

You may have to drop uke in the middle of the turn instead of completing it.

Nick Simpson 03-13-2004 05:19 AM

I used to have this problem but I think I corrected it by moving in and taking ukes balance as quickly as possible so that he doesnt have the chance to spin out. Atemi works good too.

aikidoc 03-13-2004 07:23 AM

Keeping tight to uke helps as well.

Kensai 03-13-2004 07:27 AM

Keep low and extend the arm far out so that they have their balance taken, and hence cant spin out.

Chad Sloman 03-13-2004 09:18 AM

Quote:

Chris Gee (Kensai) wrote:
Keep low and extend the arm far out so that they have their balance taken, and hence cant spin out.

I was about to say that...Stretch their arm far out in front of you so that they have to be on their tippee toes to keep their elbow from hyperextending and keep your body really close to theirs so that you and your uke's shoulders scrape by each other. Never let uke get his balance back.

ikkitosennomusha 03-13-2004 01:03 PM

Wow, I really don't need to comment on this one because you'all did a graet job on it. I agree with everyone so far.

If this ever happens for whatever reason, it is time for henka-waza. A great alternative would be this: When yous start to rotate underneath and uke spins out, maintain his arm extended while you slide behind uke for a traditonal figure 8 kokyunage. This works nicely and will remedy the situation!

Brad Medling

Kensai 03-14-2004 05:59 AM

No need for Henka-waza if your Shihonage is good.

George S. Ledyard 03-14-2004 06:44 AM

Spinning Out
 
Quote:

Brad Medling (ikkitosennomusha) wrote:
Wow, I really don't need to comment on this one because you'all did a graet job on it. I agree with everyone so far.

If this ever happens for whatever reason, it is time for henka-waza. A great alternative would be this: When yous start to rotate underneath and uke spins out, maintain his arm extended while you slide behind uke for a traditonal figure 8 kokyunage. This works nicely and will remedy the situation!

Brad Medling

I would like to point out here that "spinning out" is not a very good response to shihonage and that anyone who could have spun out could have done a kaeshiwaza and you'd be down already. Spiining out is usually only done by the new folks in the dojo who haven't been shown why they don't want to try it.

Kensai 03-14-2004 08:27 AM

Good point Sensei Ledyard.

ikkitosennomusha 03-14-2004 02:15 PM

I garee with you George. The new comers don't realize that I am being particularly slow when I brake things down for explanation or for their lack of experience. A few have gotten cocky, tried to spin out as if it would make me look like I am teaching an ineffective technique or I am incompetant as an aikidoka and this is when I put them straight down with a kokyunage etc. Afterwards I emphasize that "spinning out" is horse play and when I break things down, it is due to their experience level for which I am being cautious. So, After one good time of showing them that spinning will not work with me, it ends the problem immediately.

I should say that first, I let them spin out as to avoid having to do that and explain that it is for their benefit their way I carry the technique out. The 2nd time, if any, is when I get them!

batemanb 03-14-2004 02:46 PM

One of my teachers in Japan doesn`t speak much in the way of English, but he always says "Aikido equals stretching".

You can still keep the stretch, even when you are breaking it down slowly.

Regards

Bryan

Tom Hooper 03-14-2004 04:36 PM

I've found that when u take the arm it held like a sword and almost press the arm against your forehead

Tom (just a beginner)

ikkitosennomusha 03-14-2004 04:43 PM

Tom and Brian,

Great comments! I tend to do this more often these days. When I first started teaching, I would relax the pressure so if I talked more than 20 or 30 seconds, I did not want to unncessarily wear uke's arm out.

Nowdays, I don't worry about that because I realized that I don't usually talk long enough for that to happen because I believe learning comes by doing!

Brad Medling


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