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AikiWeb System 03-23-2003 01:01 AM

AikiWeb Poll for the week of March 23, 2003:

Do you think aikido would be a "better" art if it included more attacks and techniques?
  • I don't do aikido
  • Yes
  • No
Here are the current results.

siwilson 03-23-2003 05:49 AM

I have not voted as I don't feel there is really an answer. Aikido is a martial art not limited by this attack or that technique, so it cannot have more. Aikido is defined by it's principles.

It could be said that various schools could be better if they open themselves to the whole scope of martial training and not just a small range of attacks and techniques.

Mr. P 03-27-2003 04:12 AM

More techniques or attacks would make A´kido become another art ; it wouldn't be A´kido anymore :( ...

Meanwhile, I think we should introduce more complete attack notions. Indeed, when a beginner attacks me, I don't realize whether my techniques "works" (or not).

I met an a´kidoist who had begun its travel by practicing karatedo. His attacks were really realistic :p ! He showed me new kinds of atemis, etc. ...
For example, he could hit nine times his uke during a 'chudan tsuki ikkyo ura' :eek: !!

Actually, I think it would more help our techniques "look real" than make us be punchers.

Just a thought :D ...

sanosuke 03-27-2003 07:51 AM

more attacks, to me means that aikido is losing its core. It's not aikido anymore, it will change aikido from martial art into a mere fighting art. I remember my sempai told me, in Aikido, we don't hit the opponent, but instead letting the earth hit him. maybe some will say that aikido effectiveness relies on atemi. This is absolutely right, of course, but please remember that atemi's goal is to distract your opponent's mind, not to damage or smash him.

MikeE 03-27-2003 08:23 AM

There are an infinite number of techniques already in Aikido. Takemusu Aiki springs forth each time you do a technique on a different person. That is the flexibility of Aikido. It's not how you finish the technique (their all pretty standard--for the most part i.e. ikkyo, nikyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, etc.) it's how you get to the special place that allows you perform these that can differ greatly based on mindset, attitude, training, Sensei, Sensei's sensei, etc.

I think it is good to delve into non-traditional attacks so you can blend, flow and move to a safe place where you can apply an "Aikido Finish".

DGLinden 03-28-2003 10:27 AM

When O'Sensei began teaching his new art he offered it to masters of other martial arts - men who were successful and strong in their own ways. Aikido was a way to mitigate the violence of these arts; to allow a more humane and modern appraoch. I don't believe that he ever really expected it to be taught as a complete art in and of itself.

He said that " to protect and defend all life is both our mission and our prayer - and we call our path take musu aiki". Without the ability to launch a successful attack - which most aikidoka can't - we have a difficult time defending.

I truly believe that suplimental training in some form of aggessive, percussive art is necesssary just to be able to train in aikido well. Saotome Sensei has long emphasized the striking arts in his advanced training. It remains for the 'everyday senseis' to foster and promote mastership in all ways.

Great subject Jun.

ian 03-28-2003 11:20 AM

I think it is true that many aikidoka can't strike well, but the same applies to many karateka as well. I think alot of martial arts do not train with 'sincere' attacks. I wouldn't say just learning another martial art will remedy this situation. We need to make sure that attacks are fast and powerful in aikido. If they are not, they need to be remedied.

scarry one 03-29-2003 08:28 PM

I am confused (very common now days) I counted the post and out of the 7 only 1 seems to really be against new attacks. (Far different than the poll results). Our Dojo has begun to train in these less traditonal attacks and what a uproar! I have heard the same protest, that we are no longer doing Aikido. That I do not come here to kill or mame. Or my personal favorite, that is not how so and so did it. I do not want my Aikido to become gutter fighting either, but, I am not taking dance class. I read the training with weapons article on this home page and feel that this same issue is addressed. I do not want to invest time in a system that only works in a controlled environment. Yes I think more and different attacks will improve my Aikido. As far as more tecniques, let me know when you have a comlpete list of them...


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