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ze'ev erlich 09-15-2000 10:16 AM

Hi Aikidoka,

In my opinion, five elements must exist in the basic techniques of Aikido:

1) Te Gatana
2) Hara
3) ground (using the legs and the ground)

4) breathing
5) timing


of course there are many more but these five are the most essential during first years of practice.

what do you think?


Ze'ev


[Edited by ze'ev erlich on September 15, 2000 at 03:14pm]

Nick 09-15-2000 02:05 PM

good points, however, for a beginner (I.E average joe with no knowledge of japanese culture or philosophy or previous budo experince) will probably not grasp those- like most things, understanding will come in time.

-Nick

ze'ev erlich 09-15-2000 03:19 PM

five elements
 
thanks Nick .

yes the beginner may find it hard to understand.

in my opinion, the sensei should at least let the beginner know of these concepts, it may intrigue him to discover the way to realizing them...

what do you say?

Ze'ev

chillzATL 09-18-2000 06:57 AM

Our sensei talks of four concepts or priciples that make up strong, effective aikido (or something to that effect, my mind fails me), they are:

Ma-ai - Distance
Ri-ai - Timing
Segyo - Control
Kimei - Focus

we also practice 4 basic principles in our aikido. those are

Keep your one-point (hara)
Keep weight underside
Relax completely
Extend Ki

while the first four are 4 things that allow aikido (or any martial art)to be effective, the last four will help to make anyones technique stronger

tedehara 09-18-2000 11:13 AM

What??
 
Quote:

ze'ev erlich wrote:
Hi Aikidoka,

In my opinion, five elements must exist in the basic techniques of Aikido:

1) Te Gatana
2) Hara
3) ground (using the legs and the ground)
4) breathing
5) timing
...

What do you mean by 1 & 2, since they might be interpeted in different ways. Also, why the Japanese instead of English equivalent?

Is this list in order of priority?

Just wondering,

Ted Ehara

ze'ev erlich 09-18-2000 04:15 PM

more information on the five elements
 
Hi Ted,
Here you go:



1) Te Gatana

Te- hand
Katana - The sword the samurai used.

Tegatana is the hand of the Aikidoka. Its shape resembles a katana - many use the name "the unbendable arm", but I think that the word Tegatana can be used and is used by many.

2) Hara

Hara - the very center - spiritual and physical. Every Aikido movement should come from there.

there is no specific order.
These are only the basic elements and I believe that sometimes we should take a break and try to find out how many of these we are using and realizing their essence.


hoping my explanation did not make it less understood.

yours

Ze'ev




[Edited by ze'ev erlich on September 18, 2000 at 04:17pm]

Bob 09-21-2000 10:17 AM

I have struggled for years trying to find a universal statement of what aikido is at its core that could satisfy aikido students from all aikido styles. I have found several only to eventually cast them aside for something I liked more. I am presently using the statement 'it is aikido when nage is safe from counterattack and on balance while uke is vulnerable and off balance'.

yours in aiki

tedehara 09-25-2000 09:28 AM

Elements of Aikido Technique
 
Quote:

ze'ev erlich wrote:
Hi Aikidoka,

In my opinion, five elements must exist in the basic techniques of Aikido...of course there are many more but these five are the most essential during first years of practice.

what do you think?

Ze'ev
[Edited by ze'ev erlich on September 15, 2000 at 03:14pm]

Although I'm only mentioning two basic elements of technique, both have supporting conditions. As an example, relax completely, my first element, assumes that the Aikidoka has the other three basic principles as chillzATL mentioned in his message.

1. Relax Completely (Mind/Body Coordination)
2. Take Up Slack (Leading)

To put this into a statement:
Aikido technique is leading with mind/body coordination.

Your Mileage May Vary.

ian 10-20-2000 10:11 AM

I would go with Bobs concept to a large degree. Although it may sound very 'un -aiki' I think dominance is a pre-requisite for a good Aikido technique; making sure that you take advantage of their attack and constantly open that disadvantage up wider and wider (putting them in positions for atemis and pins or throws).

This is very well illustrated by the simple Tai-atari uchi otoshi (i.e. an entering throw where you affectively push uke off balance with your extension). It requires a feeling of dominance (without clashing), as well as all the 5 points mentioned above.

Zach Hudson 11-16-2000 12:44 PM

Center!
 
One thing that no one has mentioned yet is center. 'Stay centered' is possibly the most frequent correction in beginners' technique, along with 'lower your stance' and 'use your hips'.

Zach

aikilouis 11-16-2000 01:46 PM

Hikitsushi Sensei has three principles :
- Do not watch
- Do not leave any opening
- Do not wait


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