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Sojourner 03-06-2014 06:12 AM

Quote - Koichi Tohei.
 
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Does not sound an unreasonable ideal!

jonreading 03-06-2014 11:44 AM

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Neither does, "solve world hunger." We still haven't gotten that one.

When I see these kinds of quotes, three questions pop into my head:
1. Do I comprehend the communication?
2. Am I competent to understand the issue?
3. Am I committed to the resolution?

As a point of discussion, how would you answer these 3 questions to Tohei Sensei's claims? He lays out 3 claims present in aikido:
1. To makes the heart of nature his own
2. To understand love for all things
3. To become one with nature

I am not a ki society guy. I'd be interested to see a comprehensive analysis of what each claim means if nothing else.

Rupert Atkinson 03-09-2014 04:28 AM

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Didn't table-tennis thaw relations with China? You could probably use a multitude of activities to push for peace. The problem for me is that it just creates a horde of aiki-bunnies who latch on and can't let go. All the more bizarre is that Aikido is a martial art. Of course, I know where he is coming from, but personally, I find it quite daft.

dps 03-09-2014 09:07 AM

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Rupert Atkinson wrote: (Post 335736)
Didn't table-tennis thaw relations with China?

You don't need something as strenuous as table tennis to change the world, you can sing or think good thoughts.
Everybody together now, '' I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony'', or maybe ''
We are the world, we are the children'' how about, '' All you need is love, love. Love is all you need.''

I am still waiting for the hundredth monkey.

dps

Song quotes by. The New Seekers, Michael Jackson, The Beatles.
The Hundredth Monkey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect

mathewjgano 03-11-2014 01:04 PM

Dai Shizen
 
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Rupert Atkinson wrote: (Post 335736)
Didn't table-tennis thaw relations with China? You could probably use a multitude of activities to push for peace. The problem for me is that it just creates a horde of aiki-bunnies who latch on and can't let go. All the more bizarre is that Aikido is a martial art. Of course, I know where he is coming from, but personally, I find it quite daft.

The pertinent part of the phrasing is "...a discipline...," (emphasis mine) though. I get what you're saying about it getting turned into foo foo, but from my perspective it fits neatly with an idea O Sensei seemed to have for Aikido: to whatever capacity your situation allows, you can study how to integrate with and intuit the workings/way of the kami through Aikido. Through my exposure to Shinto I've also heard a bit about trying to feel/sense and integrate with the heartbeat and breath of kami (as reflected in the manifest world) and from what I can tell, paying attention to the breath and other rhythms of the body is an important aspect of this, along with the cultivating and securing of ones tama (which can be dislodged) into the center of its seat. So the spirituality behind phrases like this, as I understand it, is rooted somewhat in the idea of physical integration/application.
By harmonizing/connecting with the rhythms (e.g. heartbeat) of Great Nature, everything else sorts itself out through virtue of that connection/harmonization: "You wouldn't want to mess with me, man. I'm the Universe." :D
...Not that I have any real functional physical understanding of this, assuming my intellectual understanding is even up to snuff...which it probably isn't.


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