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DavidM 07-18-2002 03:20 AM

Working with Jo
 
I just started working with weapons (Only about 3-4 months of Aikido all together) and I have to say I HATE the Jo. The Bokken doesn't bother me at all. It's just the complexity of the Jo, the moves, the strikes, the blocks, etc etc etc. I find myself not liking class when we do Jo work, and even questioning if I should go to class when we have Jo work.

What I'm trying to say is, will my hatred for the Jo go away after enough practice, or will it always be there?

Thanks
David

erikmenzel 07-18-2002 03:43 AM

Re: Working with Jo
 
Quote:

David Mason (DavidM) wrote:
I just started working with weapons (Only about 3-4 months of Aikido all together) and I have to say I HATE the Jo. The Bokken doesn't bother me at all. It's just the complexity of the Jo, the moves, the strikes, the blocks, etc etc etc. I find myself not liking class when we do Jo work, and even questioning if I should go to class when we have Jo work.

What I'm trying to say is, will my hatred for the Jo go away after enough practice, or will it always be there?

Thanks

David

Sounds familiar.

I think sticking with it is the only option anyway. Not only for leaning the special jo thingies, but also because a lot of the jo movements help you in the rest of your aikido.

As comfort: after years of training the jo doesnt bother me anymore.

Jim ashby 07-18-2002 04:23 AM

Time
 
Don't worry, the first five years are the worst. The second five years, they're the worst too. The third five years, you won't enjoy at all. After that it goes downhill.

Just kidding!!

I'm a fan of the jo as a training tool, I'm just crap with it!

Have fun.

Tim Griffiths 07-18-2002 05:54 AM

Re: Working with Jo
 
Quote:

David Mason (DavidM) wrote:
What I'm trying to say is, will my hatred for the Jo go away after enough practice, or will it always be there?

Thanks

David

Eventually, you'll love the jo.

We hate the things we don't understand. Practice the 20 suburi at home (or your dojo's equivalent - if you don't know them you can find them on this site). It just takes practice.

Tim

Harms 07-18-2002 07:21 AM

Re: Working with Jo
 
Quote:

David Mason (DavidM) wrote:
It's just the complexity of the Jo, the moves, the strikes, the blocks, etc etc etc. I find myself not liking class when we do Jo work, and even questioning if I should go to class when we have Jo work.

I can understand you. When I started I was mostly interrested in the sword. In the begining I had real trouble to make the ski and the step at the same time in choku ski. My ski was so slow that it felt like if I would fall on my face if I tried to make the step slow enough :)

But it gets easier. I can't say when because I don't even know when it got easier for myself. I just realised one day that it wasn't as hard any more. I still don't make perfect ski but it's at least not that bad that I need to feel ashamed every time :)

My sensei says that weapon training (and I think especially jo) is good for really learn how to move in aikido since you (in the suburi) don't have an uke who you must adjust to.

So just hang in there you will soon get frustrated by other things and remeber if we would like to have an easy solution then we wouldn't be doing aikido ;)

/Tobias

mike lee 07-18-2002 07:30 AM

jo is beautiful
 
Mike Lee's patented "learning to love the jo" exercise.

Walk 1 mile a day and carry the jo in your right hand. Hold the jo at the center, with its length being horizontal to the ground. Enjoy the feeling of the jo being perfectly balanced in your hand as you walk. Smile. ;)

Bruce Baker 07-18-2002 09:00 AM

Love and hate are almost the same emotions, a heartbeat apart.

If you really hated Aiki-jo, you would totally ignore it, and practice without the stick.

Practice with and without your jo, it will provide clarity.

kung fu hamster 07-18-2002 09:22 AM

It's not a lost cause
 
I too hated jo, especially since I couldn't throw anyone with my clumsy non-understanding of any principles of leverage or ‘ki' extension. My ukes would hang on like gorillas and not budge. However, I became reconciled to the isometric workout it gave my arms when I realized that my ‘wingspans' started firming up, even though I was frustrated at my lack of skill in wielding the jo as a weapon. That still is the case, I continue to have a really tough time working with the jo, but I can train without considering it to be a waste of time. The dedicated effort is what counts - even if I don't comprehend the ‘deep inner secrets' at this time, the teachers keep assuring me that through the body, trial and error, understanding and skill will eventually be acquired. :)

SeiserL 07-18-2002 10:51 AM

Yep, was not a fan of Jo training when I started. The weapon just didn't seem practical to carry and use. But, with time, it taught me how to extend and apply the principles of Aiki. Worth the time.

Until again,

Lynn

Deb Fisher 07-18-2002 12:40 PM

My truly deep resentment has always been toward Bokken (I have very thin wrists), but all weapons work really challenged me for awhile. I knew I was really bad at it because my weapons teacher would (literally) wince whenever I did an awase, and for a number of weeks it was standard for me to keep practicing start-stop after everyone else was allowed to start flowin'.

It was embarassing to be in this remedial weapons class of one, but you know, it made me practice harder and now I love my weapons because I can practice without a mat or an uke. My suburi are much, much better, and yes, I'm sure it's helped everything else.

If I could get better, ANYONE can. Hang in there!

Deb

akiy 07-18-2002 12:53 PM

I remember Richard Heckler sensei telling us during a class that one of the reasons why he thinks people should train in weapons in aikido is that it enables us all to go through the frustration of learning something new in our lives.

I remember going to a seminar with Nishio sensei after having been pretty experienced with aikido weapons and going through this kind of frustration. After a while, I changed my practice to not just be "learn these new movements" but to work with the frustration I was feeling.

-- Jun

MaylandL 07-18-2002 09:37 PM

Re: Working with Jo
 
Quote:

David Mason (DavidM) wrote:
I just started working with weapons (Only about 3-4 months of Aikido all together) and I have to say I HATE the Jo. ... It's just the complexity of the Jo, the moves, the strikes, the blocks, etc etc etc. I find myself not liking class when we do Jo work, and even questioning if I should go to class when we have Jo work.

What I'm trying to say is, will my hatred for the Jo go away after enough practice, or will it always be there?

...

I can understand your feelings - I was in the same position and I am still trying to commit all of the jo and ken techniques and training exercises to memory. The Jo katas and suburi are difficult to learn and remember. But please stick with it (no pun intended) - the rewards in terms of improvement in your aikido is worth the perserverence.

These days I look forward to any opportunity to work on jo and ken because of what this has done for my aikido. Sometimes I ask sensei to observe me doing one of the katas so he can give some tips and advice. I know I'll forget some of the moves because, I haven't committed them all to memory but I keep thinking that before I knew nothing about the katas. Atleast, now I know something and that's a good start to build on :)

Quote:

Tobias Harms (Harms) wrote:
...

My sensei says that weapon training (and I think especially jo) is good for really learn how to move in aikido since you (in the suburi) don't have an uke who you must adjust to.

...

Absolutely agree. It also emphasises keeping appropriate distance, maintaining the proper posture and stance and extension of Ki. Aiki Weapons training (suburi, kumijo, kumitachi, awase and the jo and ken katas - as well as tanto, jo and tachi dori) is absolutely invaluable. I can vouch for this from personal experience. I like how the weapons techniques has improved my understanding of aikido and open hand techniques.

Both my senseis point out how the use of the ken and jo are similar open hand techniques are to how aikido techniques are performed. Very similar movements and position are used in both situations.

During seminars with Igarashi Sensei, he would start of with ken or jo and then move to open hand techniques and then finish with jo or ken. IT very challenging but ultimately rewarding and enlightening training.

Please persevere with Jo, you will see improvements both in the use of the Jo and how its helps you with your open hand techniques.

All the best for training.


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