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Krystal Locke 11-29-2012 01:53 AM

Name that uke, round two....
 
The uke who has less hair takes some interesting falls....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9PQCQV1krY&feature=plcp

Richard Stevens 11-29-2012 07:28 AM

Re: Name that uke, round two....
 
I love watching Isoyama demos.

Don_Modesto 11-29-2012 11:38 AM

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I watched this with a judo buddy who just cackled at how bad Isoyama's KATA GURUMA is.

Carl Thompson 11-29-2012 04:02 PM

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Don J. Modesto wrote: (Post 319886)
I watched this with a judo buddy who just cackled at how bad Isoyama's KATA GURUMA is.

Could you elaborate?

Regards

Carl

James Sawers 11-29-2012 05:38 PM

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Don J. Modesto wrote: (Post 319886)
I watched this with a judo buddy who just cackled at how bad Isoyama's KATA GURUMA is.

Well, in the style of aikido I practice, if we are referring to the same technique, we would not call that kataguruma. That looks more like a body slam, though I'm sure, there is a more elegant Japanese name for it.

sakumeikan 11-29-2012 07:10 PM

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James Sawers wrote: (Post 319907)
Well, in the style of aikido I practice, if we are referring to the same technique, we would not call that kataguruma. That looks more like a body slam, though I'm sure, there is a more elegant Japanese name for it.

Dear James,
Isoyama Sensei is doing both Kata[Shoulder]Guruma [Wheel] and and a body slam from a shoulder height postion.In Kata guruma the body of uke should travel in an arc like circular motion,In this demo clearly Isoyama Sensei dumps his uke on occasion onto the tatami.Cheers.Joe.

James Sawers 11-29-2012 07:35 PM

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Joe Curran wrote: (Post 319915)
Dear James,
Isoyama Sensei is doing both Kata[Shoulder]Guruma [Wheel] and and a body slam from a shoulder height postion.In Kata guruma the body of uke should travel in an arc like circular motion,In this demo clearly Isoyama Sensei dumps his uke on occasion onto the tatami.Cheers.Joe.

Thanks, Joe, but I still don't see the technique I am used to, though, of course, I'll take your expertise as a given.

The kataguruma I am used to involves taking uke from behind, grasping his collar, bending nages knees, then coming up (sometimes with an assist to uke with the other, free hand) and rolling uke over nage's shoulders. I hope this explanation makes sense? When it was done to me, I rolled over nage's shoulders and landed, light as a feather, on my feet. A truly joyful experience - not a slam in sight.

Jim.....

Carsten Möllering 11-30-2012 03:10 AM

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James Sawers wrote: (Post 319916)
The kataguruma I am used to involves taking uke from behind, grasping his collar, bending nages knees, then coming up (sometimes with an assist to uke with the other, free hand) and rolling uke over nage's shoulders.

Your description reminds me of ganseki otoshi?

This is instructional to what is called kata guruma in my context.

sakumeikan 11-30-2012 11:37 AM

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James Sawers wrote: (Post 319916)
Thanks, Joe, but I still don't see the technique I am used to, though, of course, I'll take your expertise as a given.

The kataguruma I am used to involves taking uke from behind, grasping his collar, bending nages knees, then coming up (sometimes with an assist to uke with the other, free hand) and rolling uke over nage's shoulders. I hope this explanation makes sense? When it was done to me, I rolled over nage's shoulders and landed, light as a feather, on my feet. A truly joyful experience - not a slam in sight.

Jim.....

Dear James,
Without seeing the mover you are describiong I cannot ascertain exactly what it is,If you as Tori are goingg behind uke, grasping his/her collar from the rear , loweriong you postuure and bringing uke over the top of you shoulders,this appears to be a movement described in one of Saito
Sensei 5 vol. set of books.Cannot recall vol/pafe no, but I think it is a variation of irimi nage.If i get a chance[very busy right now]-getting ready for attendance at a course our area, I will check it iut.
If you want to see Kata Guruma, try and locate Wolfgang Hoffmann[ Senseia German judoka] on You Tube].I believe he was pretty good at this waza.Oldfootage of Hoffman Sensei may be available. Cheers, Joe

sakumeikan 11-30-2012 11:45 AM

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Carsten Möllering wrote: (Post 319927)

Hi Carsten,
My reply to James was I knew the waza but forgot the name.Ganseki otoshi /Rice bale drop? not irimi nage, is the waza in Saito Sensei book. By the way my index finger on keyboard is acting like the a dsiembodied digit akin to the Beast with 5 Fingers[Peter Lorre movie madness] or the Hands of Orloff.My typing is naff[rubbish] Cheers, Joe.
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James Sawers 11-30-2012 04:32 PM

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Yes, ganseki otoshi looks like what I mean. In the book, The Heart of Aikido, by O'Sensei, there is a photo, in the photo section of the book, of kataguruma, that looks like the start of what Carsten's video is calling ganseki otoshi. Different names, I guess.....


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