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ChrisHein 10-24-2012 05:00 PM

Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
For awhile now I have been using a set of six movement patterns with my students as a teaching aid. These six movements can be found in All Aikido relational movement (movement with a partner). They have been a great aid in my Dojo. Today I finally put together a post. Hope you find it of some use!

http://www.aikidostudent.com/ASCv2/?p=86

ewolput 10-25-2012 02:08 AM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
Hi,
Kenji Tomiki described these exercises in his book "Goshin Jitsu" (1975), not his book about goshin jitsu no kata. They are basic exercises for his "randori" method which also can be used in a competitive way.
Just another view on it.
Eddy

ChrisHein 10-25-2012 10:58 AM

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I haven't read this book, but it just went to the top of my list! Just goes to show there aren't really any new ideas!

ChrisHein 10-25-2012 04:23 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
Very interesting. I wish I read Japanese, picking through the text is pretty hard, but from the pictures, many of the ideas are the same. Funny thing is, two pages later he is demonstrating what looks like some of the shomen idea's I've been working on the last few weeks! Thanks for the tip!

Janet Rosen 10-25-2012 04:29 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
I can think of a few different dojos from different lineages I've been in that practice movement katas like this regularly.

Michael Hackett 10-25-2012 04:39 PM

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Chris, some of these movements remind me of Yoseikan Budo's tai sabaki movements, particularly hiraki and nigashi movements. Nice, clear video by the way. Thanks for posting.

Janet Rosen 10-25-2012 07:28 PM

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Quote:

Michael Hackett wrote: (Post 317947)
Nice, clear video by the way. Thanks for posting.

Yes!

ChrisHein 10-25-2012 11:08 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
Thanks Michael, I'll have to check that out! Yoseikan is an Aikido style which I have not yet made much of an exploration into, but it does peak my interest!

PeterR 10-25-2012 11:20 PM

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Quote:

Eddy Wolput wrote: (Post 317906)
Hi,
Kenji Tomiki described these exercises in his book "Goshin Jitsu" (1975), not his book about goshin jitsu no kata. They are basic exercises for his "randori" method which also can be used in a competitive way.
Just another view on it.
Eddy

Hi Eddy;

That really in my mind characterizes Tomiki's system - not the competition but the solo and paired exercises designed to improve ones overall aikido. Understanding the idea behind/within the exercises and then applying them not just to the exercises but the waza themselves and you are on your way.

Marc Abrams 10-29-2012 10:59 AM

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The video clips in this blog demonstrated people moving from one state of being double-weighted to another state of being double-weighted. I would not recommend people use that model for movement. I think that the people in that video look closer at what they are doing and seek to fix that fundamental error.

Marc Abrams

ChrisHein 10-29-2012 12:37 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
The video is non dynamic motion. It is showing relative positions. It is done for demonstration of position, not stance holding. If you would like to demonstrate my movements patterns with a better video, I would love to see it. Thanks Marc.

Marc Abrams 10-29-2012 01:29 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
Quote:

Chris Hein wrote: (Post 318109)
The video is non dynamic motion. It is showing relative positions. It is done for demonstration of position, not stance holding. If you would like to demonstrate my movements patterns with a better video, I would love to see it. Thanks Marc.

Chris:

They start off double weighted and move to another position of being double weighted. This has nothing to do with holding a stance. I am not interested in trying to "best" your movement patterns. I would suggest have people lean on the other people so that when they move, they will experience very quickly what it means to be double-weighted. Do you not see their movements as being double-weighted? I am personally spending a lot of time rewiring my movements because of my previous propensity to move in similar manners.

Keep up your hard work! Whereas we might see things differently, I respect the dedication that you put in with what you are doing.

Marc Abrams

ChrisHein 10-29-2012 01:52 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
I can clearly see in the very first triangle step I am double weighted. You are right, it might be better if I weren't, but that is not what we are looking at in this video, so I wasn't worried about it. I was more worried about if we were in frame, or if the light was right, or if I had gotten all the shots I wanted. If you don't make any video's I can understand how you couldn't understand all the other things one has to worry about. It's clear that my ability to clearly show something on video still needs work.

I'll make a stance and movement video in the near future. Thanks Marc, I can tell that you're just trying to help ;) .

NagaBaba 10-29-2012 06:35 PM

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Quote:

Marc Abrams wrote: (Post 318106)
The video clips in this blog demonstrated people moving from one state of being double-weighted to another state of being double-weighted. I would not recommend people use that model for movement. I think that the people in that video look closer at what they are doing and seek to fix that fundamental error.

Marc Abrams

Hi Marc,
What do you mean by 'being double-weighted '?

Thanks!

phitruong 10-29-2012 08:23 PM

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Quote:

Szczepan Janczuk wrote: (Post 318128)
Hi Marc,
What do you mean by 'being double-weighted '?

Thanks!

it means normally he's a tonne but now he's two. either that or he's very hung. :)

Michael Varin 10-31-2012 08:10 PM

Re: Roku Tai no Henko- of the Chushin Tani
 
Quote:

Szczepan Janczuk wrote: (Post 318128)
Hi Marc,
What do you mean by 'being double-weighted '?

Thanks!

This is a good question.

I was curious of the same thing, since I've seen the term "double-weighted" be used to refer to at least four seemingly different conditions.

It's important when throwing buzz words around, new or old, that we are clear about what is being communicated.


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