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bklynjames 10-22-2012 12:35 PM

Ju-Jitsu to compliment Aikido
 
I hear a lot of talk from teachers about O'Sensei doing JuJitsu and taking it, rounding it out, and turning it into Aikido. What type of kind of Ju-Jitsu was Aikido Derived from and would it be beneficial to take to compliment your aikido.?

Thank you,

Cliff Judge 10-22-2012 01:14 PM

Re: Ju-Jitsu to compliment Aikido
 
Ueshiba did some Yagyu Shingan ryu, some of the koryu stuff preserved in Judo, and was deeply involved in Daito ryu Aikijujutsu.

There may or may not be any benefit to cross-training, it really depends on what kind of Aikido you are practicing and what is available in terms of these other arts. Whatever you are looking for, you could probably find a different Aikido dojo that would offer that to you, whether you are looking for a more spiritual approach, a more technical approach, more pain, etc.

ChrisHein 10-22-2012 02:25 PM

Re: Ju-Jitsu to compliment Aikido
 
This is a BIG question, that cannot be simply answered. Aikido is strongly related to traditional Japanese martial arts (koryu), especially traditional Jujutsu. Traditional Jujutsu is a very large subject. If you are interested in understanding Aikido, looking at traditional Jujutsu is a good first step. I don't think you can even begin to understand what Aikido really is until you make a study of Traditional Jujutsu.

Check out koryu.com learn a little more about traditional Japanese martial arts. And start reading lot's of Stanley Pranin. Aikido Journal is a very, very useful resource for those interested in figuring out what Aikido is. If you are simply interested in learning Aikido, this is not a necessary step to take (until much much later in training, anyways).

grondahl 10-22-2012 03:11 PM

Re: Ju-Jitsu to compliment Aikido
 
There are some gems of information right here on aikiweb to:
http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15096

MM 10-23-2012 05:49 AM

Re: Ju-Jitsu to compliment Aikido
 
Quote:

James McDermott wrote: (Post 317688)
I hear a lot of talk from teachers about O'Sensei doing JuJitsu and taking it, rounding it out, and turning it into Aikido. What type of kind of Ju-Jitsu was Aikido Derived from and would it be beneficial to take to compliment your aikido.?

Thank you,

This is actually a fairly straight forward answer. He learned Daito ryu aikijujutsu. That's it.

His judo teacher was young and not experienced. He really didn't get deeply involved in Yagyu Shingan ryu. Do a search on Youtube of Yagyu Shingan ryu and watch.

Morihei Ueshiba studied Daito ryu from Sokaku Takeda from 1915 to mid-late 1930s when the connection between Ueshiba and Takeda broke. After that, Ueshiba kept going with Daito ryu aiki, never looking back. Everything after that was completely influenced by Daito ryu aiki. Ueshiba would look at koryu kenjutsu and say, we'd do it this way with aiki.

The roots to Ueshiba's jujutsu? Daito ryu and Daito ryu aiki.

I've seen people from koryu know what some other person studied by the way they moved. Eerie, until you realize that each koryu remakes the person. My point is that if you really think other jujutsu influenced Ueshiba, first watch all the video you can and see if you think it's the same: judo, koryu jujutus, Daito ryu. Then ask koryu and judo people if Ueshiba moves or acts like them. PIck up Stan Pranin's DVD of back issues and read them. Pick up Ellis Amdur's books. Go through Aikiweb.

Everything but Daito ryu was superficial. Might as well say that his bayonet training in the army is what he modified to create aikido. However, it is far truer to state that his aiki training from Takeda remade him to function a specific way which then changed everything he did with empty hands and weapons.


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