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Thomas Campbell 02-28-2012 05:50 PM

Joint Locking into Push Hands
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6UB3...layer_embedded

Description comparing JMA moves with taijiquan moves by Steve Rowe, the demonstrator in the video clip above:

It is as pure as Taiji can get:

Nikajo = Press
Hiji Jimi = Brush Knee
Sankajo = Deflect and punch
Kote Gaishi = Yin yang fist

With no adaption to the technique necessary.


Also with the pushes:

Jodan uke = Fair Lady Plays Shuttles
Uchi Uke (Wado) = Part Wild Horse's Mane
Soto Uke (Wado) = Roll Back
Gedan Barai = Brush Knee


(above is from http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15781)

Mark Jakabcsin 02-28-2012 09:33 PM

Re: Joint Locking into Push Hands
 
Locks = Bend and twist. I couldn't watch past Nikajo. Sorry.

Thomas Campbell 02-29-2012 11:42 AM

Re: Joint Locking into Push Hands
 
Quote:

Mark Jakabcsin wrote: (Post 304257)
Locks = Bend and twist. I couldn't watch past Nikajo. Sorry.

I noticed that too. That's why I included the title and verbal description from the original thread. Although I like mixing in joint locks (part of "qinna" in Chinese arts) with push-hands, the written description equating techniques from different arts based on a superficial resemblance is a common mistake. What is shown is quite distinct from DR-type locks that Dan or Howard would show, for example, or good Chen Taiji practitioners can demonstrate. Clear examples of locking up the skeletal chain are also shown in Tim Cartmell's translation of Zhao Dayuan's book, "Practical Chinna."

roadtoad 03-11-2012 12:59 PM

Re: Joint Locking into Push Hands
 
when I first started tai chi, they didn't have guys like that. They used to do pushing hands quite differently, but since, it has become as you see, they stole everything from aikido.

gregstec 03-11-2012 05:54 PM

Re: Joint Locking into Push Hands
 
Quote:

Thomas Campbell wrote: (Post 304307)
I noticed that too. That's why I included the title and verbal description from the original thread. Although I like mixing in joint locks (part of "qinna" in Chinese arts) with push-hands, the written description equating techniques from different arts based on a superficial resemblance is a common mistake. What is shown is quite distinct from DR-type locks that Dan or Howard would show, for example, or good Chen Taiji practitioners can demonstrate. Clear examples of locking up the skeletal chain are also shown in Tim Cartmell's translation of Zhao Dayuan's book, "Practical Chinna."

The application of the locks may leave something to be desired from a DR/Aikido perspective, but I like his position that techniques are just a result of working with whatever energy is offered at any given moment as well as keeping structure and balance in yourself while taking that of Uke's.

Greg


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