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Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Posted 2012-02-23 19:12:22 by Chicko Xerri
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All Aikidoka are invited to attend and expand further on their perception of Aikido Join us in Duisburg Germany on the 14 and 15 of July, 2012 at 10 am each day at Friedrich- Alfred Str. 15. The Sportschule Wedau Judo Hall. Contact: OtomeAndre.web.de


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JJF 03-08-2012 07:28 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Hi all

This seems like a great opportunity to get some new perspectives on my training - but could someone please inform me a little bit about Yoshinobu senseis relation to hombu dojo?

I can see from sources on the internet that he is with the Aikido Kenkyukai International, and my sources with relation to Hombu dojo tells me that he is not someone they have met there on a regular basis. However in different sources he is stated as a member of the board of directors in hombu dojo.

Just courious..

JJ

Chicko Xerri 03-08-2012 04:11 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Dear Jorgen,
Yes Takeda Shihan has from the beginning of his Aikido experience been connected through Aikikai Honbu. He was a long time student of Yamaguchi Seigo Shihan ( deceased ) a Honbu Instructor. Takeda Shihan is a director on the Board for Aikikai Honbu. and is very close to the Doshu on Aikido activities. Also each year During May the A.K.I. celebrate with one whole day of Social activity with Doshu UESHIBA. An Enbukai followed by a big dinner with introductions and speeches Takeda shihan Shonan Aikido Renmei organisation Japan has expanded outside Japan and taken on the title of Aikido Kenkyukai International ( A.K.I ) which when translated means Aikido Research Group.
When you have the opportunity to experience his liberating and deeply connected Aiki experience then you will discover new opportinity in your own practise and direction. I believe so.
All the best to you Jorgen:)

Peter Goldsbury 03-08-2012 06:51 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Jørgen Jakob Friis wrote: (Post 304951)
Hi all

This seems like a great opportunity to get some new perspectives on my training - but could someone please inform me a little bit about Yoshinobu senseis relation to hombu dojo?

I can see from sources on the internet that he is with the Aikido Kenkyukai International, and my sources with relation to Hombu dojo tells me that he is not someone they have met there on a regular basis. However in different sources he is stated as a member of the board of directors in hombu dojo.

Just courious..

JJ

Actually, the Aikikai has an organizational structure that is not well known outside Japan. The Aikikai (公益財団法人合気会) is the legal entity that sits at the top. Doshu is Chairman of this body and the President is a politician, I believe. Below this on the flow chart are three bodies: the Aikido Gakkou (the Aikido School), the Hombu Dojo, and the International Aikido Federation (IAF). Then the lines become more complex. Affiliated to the Hombu Dojo within Japan are (1) all the local organizations and clubs in Japan (including Takeda Shihan's Shonan Aikido Renmei), (2) all the organizations and clubs in the government and in companies, (3) all the clubs in the Japanese Self-Defence forces, and (4) all the organizations and clubs in the All-Japan Student Aikido Federation. This makes well over 2,000 organizations and clubs. My own dojo is part of (1). Some of these local organizations and clubs, which also have branches overseas, are part of the All-Japan Aikido Federation and it is this organization of which Takeda Shihan is a 理事 (Director).

The flowchart appears each year in the brochure distributed at the All-Japan Aikido Demonstration, held in May at the Nippon Budokan. Takeda Shihan usually gives a demonstration on this occasion.

I believe that Takeda Shihan is based in Kamakura. His teacher, Yamaguchi Seigo, also had a close relationship with the main dojo in Hiroshima, where I trained regularly, such that when I visited the Hombu Dojo, I also trained in Yamaguchi Sensei's dojo in Shibuya (no tatami here) and in his classes at the Hombu Dojo.

Best wishes, and apologies for the thread drift. I hope the training course is successful.

JJF 03-13-2012 02:12 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Thank you very much to both of you.

For som reason I always finde it interesting to get more insight in the world of aikido politics... Some might think this is the same mechanism that makes me enjoy yonkyo ;)

I will certainly see if I can get a group together and fill a car for the Duisburg seminar.

See you all on the mat

JJ

Chicko Xerri 03-13-2012 04:35 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
If you can get a few people together. I guarantee you will all have a great conversation on the drive back home, about the seminar with Takeda Shihan.
Regards Chicko

JJF 06-04-2012 03:40 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Peter A Goldsbury wrote: (Post 305007)
The flowchart appears each year in the brochure distributed at the All-Japan Aikido Demonstration, held in May at the Nippon Budokan. Takeda Shihan usually gives a demonstration on this occasion.

Thank you for the description of the Aikikai structure. It renders me slightly less confused than I was before :)
Is there a chance that this flowchart could be found or distributed digitally? I would like to see it.

Best

JJ

JJF 06-14-2012 03:04 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Hi.

Were planning to fill a car or two and come down for this seminar.

Can anybody please confirm that it's still on, and maybe give a little bit of info on the where, when and how of the thing?

Thank's

Jørgen Jakob

Carsten Möllering 06-15-2012 01:59 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
It's still on. Friend of mine will go there.

I found this:

Seminar Flyer


Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8.Dan
14.07.2012 bis 15.07.2012

Sportschule Wedau
Friedrich-Alfred Strasse 15
47055 Duisburg

Deutschland / Nordrhein-Westfalen

Kontakt: Andre Otome
Tel:+49-201-94677451

Chris Li 06-15-2012 02:19 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Takeda was one of my favorite Aikido guys - soft technique, but very sharp and clean. Something to look forward to at the All Japan each year.

Then again, sometimes he gets into this kind of thing:

http://youtu.be/Ltf6-Qqc40Y

A lot of "interesting" things here - but be sure to watch the distance stuff from around 07:30.

Best,

Chris

JJF 06-15-2012 02:21 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Thank you Carsten. They were also kind enough to reply to my e-mail after having written to the address I found at Facebook. I just wasn't able to find any additional information anywere.

I'll be going. And I will bring my iaito in case somebody want's to hear about Aiki toho (I seem to recall you took part in the weapons discussion :) )

Really looking forward to it.. just hopes my knee won't give me too much grief.

JJ

JJF 06-15-2012 03:09 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Christopher Li wrote: (Post 310946)
A lot of "interesting" things here - but be sure to watch the distance stuff from around 07:30.

Hi Chris

Yeah.. i've seen a few examples of this in his videos. It's a little... interesting... as you put it. Then again.. I have a few examples in my past where i've experienced things I wouldn't have believed if I been a spectator so,, who knows. And the rest of what he is doing is so soft and well timed that I just have to experience him for myself. He also comes highly recommende by some I admire a lot.. so...

It's going to be interesting to see what he can do with european uke's :) I'll let you know.

JJ

Anthony Loeppert 06-15-2012 03:49 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Christopher Li wrote: (Post 310946)
Takeda was one of my favorite Aikido guys - soft technique, but very sharp and clean. Something to look forward to at the All Japan each year.

Then again, sometimes he gets into this kind of thing:

http://youtu.be/Ltf6-Qqc40Y

A lot of "interesting" things here - but be sure to watch the distance stuff from around 07:30.

Best,

Chris

It seemed to have started a lot earlier than the timeframe you mention. To paraphrase a comment by "unknown author" on the internet, translated from Spanish, "what is this shit?"

Chris Li 06-15-2012 03:53 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Anthony Loeppert wrote: (Post 310987)
It seemed to have started a lot earlier than the timeframe you mention. To paraphrase a comment by "unknown author" on the internet, translated from Spanish, "what is this shit?"

Oh sure, but I thought that the group stuff towards the end was especially perplexing.

Best,

Chris

Anthony Loeppert 06-15-2012 04:03 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Christopher Li wrote: (Post 310988)
Oh sure, but I thought that the group stuff towards the end was especially perplexing.

Best,

Chris

Ok, i confess, i only watched the first 2 minutes the first time.

I agree. It is perplexing. What makes grown (ass) men behave this way?

Chris Li 06-15-2012 05:19 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Anthony Loeppert wrote: (Post 310989)
Ok, i confess, i only watched the first 2 minutes the first time.

I agree. It is perplexing. What makes grown (ass) men behave this way?

Kool aid? :D

He was a student of Seigo Yamaguchi - now, Yamaguchi was soft, but he touched me every time he threw me that I remember.

I actually had a discussion about this with one of Takeda's contemporaries (also a Yamaguchi student). He started out with "brain-washing" and "hypnotism" and it went downhill from there - at the end he said "Well, it's not a very good way to train".

FWIW...

Best,

Chris

Anthony Loeppert 06-15-2012 07:45 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
I mean, enjoy the seminar guys!
Take care,
Anthony

JJF 06-18-2012 03:36 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
This is going to be sooo interesting. Yes.. I was a bit put of by the long distance bokken techniques in the video, but this type of hyper sensibility between Uke and Nage can be the result from training very intensely for many years. No doubt the man has very soft but extremely well timed and powerful technique.

One thing that made me decide to go is this review by a person who should be well known to all the users of this forum: http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244

Also I've been watching some videos of some of Takeda senseis students. Lia Suzuki for one. It's easy to see the influence of his technique, but she is also showing much more basic bodywork and footwork quite similar to what I know from our own line of Aikido. I just think what Takeda Sensei is putting on display is the level he and his 'study group' (literal translation of the name of his organization if I understand it right) has reached. It is beyond basic technique but I believe it is routed in sound and sincere practice for many many years.

So.. I expect a great seminar with emphasis on being soft and moving your body not to mention using atemi with a minimum of power and maximum of impact.... however.. if he starts us out on meditation exercises for levitation and invisibility then I might consider going out for a beer instead.

If what he is doing has any thing to do with Yamaguchi senseis aikido, then I will be more than happy. As example see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxvg4...eature=related

JJ

Chris Li 06-18-2012 02:10 PM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

J�rgen Jakob Friis wrote: (Post 311105)
This is going to be sooo interesting. Yes.. I was a bit put of by the long distance bokken techniques in the video, but this type of hyper sensibility between Uke and Nage can be the result from training very intensely for many years. No doubt the man has very soft but extremely well timed and powerful technique.

Of course, and it's a common training paradigm in Aikido. I do have my doubts as to how well conditioning yourself for exaggerated reactivity really works for most people in the long run, not to mention that it encourages demonstrations that makes us look like idiots. :freaky:

Best,

Chris

JJF 06-19-2012 02:30 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Christopher Li wrote: (Post 311135)
... it encourages demonstrations that makes us look like idiots. :freaky:

In some of my relatives point of view I crossed that border once I began putting on a skirt not to mention waving a stick around at imaginary attackers.. ;)

Alex Megann 06-19-2012 05:29 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Jørgen Jakob Friis wrote: (Post 311105)
So.. I expect a great seminar with emphasis on being soft and moving your body not to mention using atemi with a minimum of power and maximum of impact.... however.. if he starts us out on meditation exercises for levitation and invisibility then I might consider going out for a beer instead.

If what he is doing has any thing to do with Yamaguchi senseis aikido, then I will be more than happy. As example see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxvg4...eature=related

JJ

Hi JJ,

I don't know if you have seen Takeshi Yamashima, but he is another student of Yamaguchi Sensei and a teacher I can recommend highly. Definitely meets your first expectation (and likes a beer afterwards as well). Also definitely not into the "no-touch" stuff...

He is visiting Europe over the next few weeks - in England on the weekends of 30 June/1 July (Manchester) and 7/8 July (Bath), and he usually teaches in Holland, France and Germany too. It may be worth a Google if you are interested.

Alex

PS, that's one of the best films of Yamaguchi Sensei I have seen - thanks for posting...

JJF 06-19-2012 07:27 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Thanks Alex. He has now been thoroughly google'd, and youtube'd.. Very interesting.
A bit of almost no-touch in this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPyNw...eature=related
but otherwise very different from Takeda sensei albeit still very soft.

regarding you PS.. you might want to note that it is filmed by Nishio sensei. Interesting for us who (try to) follow his line of thought in Aikido :)

Alex Megann 06-19-2012 07:38 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Here's another clip that I like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lo1DW9a7GM

Yamashima Sensei is the only teacher that I have taken ukemi from who has had anything like the feeling of "nothingness" that I got from Yamaguchi Sensei back in the 1980s.

Alex

Chris Li 06-19-2012 10:02 AM

Re: Takeda Yoshinobu Shihan 8 dan in Duisburg Germany 7/14-7/15/2012
 
Quote:

Alex Megann wrote: (Post 311213)
Hi JJ,

I don't know if you have seen Takeshi Yamashima, but he is another student of Yamaguchi Sensei and a teacher I can recommend highly. Definitely meets your first expectation (and likes a beer afterwards as well). Also definitely not into the "no-touch" stuff...

He is visiting Europe over the next few weeks - in England on the weekends of 30 June/1 July (Manchester) and 7/8 July (Bath), and he usually teaches in Holland, France and Germany too. It may be worth a Google if you are interested.

Alex

PS, that's one of the best films of Yamaguchi Sensei I have seen - thanks for posting...

And he'll be back in Hawaii again at the end of July. Very down to earth guy - definitely worth a look if you haven't seen him (or even if you have!).

Best,

Chris


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