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bob_stra 02-02-2012 08:54 PM

Is this Koshi-nage?
 
I posted this in a previous thread but the discussion moved on before I had a chance to ask - would this Judo throw qualify as an example of koshi-nage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSvoUBeoAaI#t=6m25s

(jump to 6:25 if that doesn't autolink)

Just a mild curiosity of mine ; the throw is actually not that common in judo (AFAIK, it doesn't even have a official name), but if it is koshi-nage per aikido, then all of my Aikido buddies have been joshing me for years.

EDIT: Pooh; the link seems to have been taken down - try here. Same time index

http://mmaweekly.com/ronda-rouseys-a...ck-of-the-show

robin_jet_alt 02-03-2012 01:23 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Well it's definitely a koshi-nage, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that or something very similar in an aikido dojo. I don't think I have seen that particular variation before, but it's certainly within the envelope, so to speak. I like it!

bob_stra 02-03-2012 02:45 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Great; I wanted to clarify the envelop a little better for myself, as I wasn't quite sure what koshi-nage encompassed

Tyson Walters 02-03-2012 03:28 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
That looked like it could have easily gone the wrong way for the host... in that he could have landed on his head!

niall 02-03-2012 04:05 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
That looks like a sleeveless version of a judo hip throw called sode tsurikomi goshi usually done with a sleeve grip (sode is sleeve).

The animation is from the list of techniques on judoinfo.com

It is very common in competition judo. This is a compilation of former World and Olympic champion Toshihiko Koga. There are about 5 dynamic sode tsurikomi goshi throws in a row from 2.45. He used to do the throw as a complement to seoi nage so his execution for both is similar.

It is a common aikido koshi nage too although it might not look exactly like that.

grondahl 02-03-2012 05:45 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
If I did that in class, I would get scolded. So where I come from it would be "a kind of koshinage" but not a proper koshinage.

tlk52 02-03-2012 08:06 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
. the hip goes in like an ikkyo koshi but with a different grip... kind of like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amZH5gQuMHA

oyo waza not kihon waza

bob_stra 02-03-2012 09:15 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Quote:

Niall Matthews wrote: (Post 302362)
That looks like a sleeveless version of a judo hip throw called sode tsurikomi goshi usually done with a sleeve grip (sode is sleeve)

Hmmm...classically though, STG has both uke and tori with feet parellel to each other upon kake, whereas the throw I cited has tori perpendicular to uke; that's one ready difference

I'd be suprised if people had seen koshi nage (per Ronda Rousey clip) in judo circles that frequently; I've seen it perhaps half a dozen times in the last 13 years.

What I have more frequently is something like this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbBx1PHi8K8

which is a technically a seoinage

In any case - I'm glad to know the 'oh god, oh god' technique has an *actual* name, so I can better track down variations etc. I think it's a nifty throw.

chillzATL 02-03-2012 09:42 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
we practice something similar as a koshinage out of a sankyo.

bob_stra 02-03-2012 11:40 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Quote:

Jason Casteel wrote: (Post 302379)
we practice something similar as a koshinage out of a sankyo.

I'm always surprised that there aren't more aikidoka broken into itty bitty little pieces, like so many spent match-sticks.

You do those kinds of crazy things fluently...then develop phobias over breakfalls. It boggles my poor widdle mind :hypno:

Rob Watson 02-03-2012 12:20 PM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=V1ZsFnma8AA

Not basic form but looks like what Ms. Ronda did but more 'aikido' like. Bent over at the waist gets 'stink eye' but not so bad when Ms. Ronda does it ....

chillzATL 02-03-2012 01:16 PM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Quote:

Bob Strahinjevich wrote: (Post 302387)
I'm always surprised that there aren't more aikidoka broken into itty bitty little pieces, like so many spent match-sticks.

You do those kinds of crazy things fluently...then develop phobias over breakfalls. It boggles my poor widdle mind :hypno:

lol, no phobias here Bob, but I know what you mean. Without a confident nage, ukemi from that throw can be a little... blah. If they're tenative and don't get you stretched out good before things get a little sloppy and you end up falling off of them more than being thrown, but that's a problem you see in lots of places in aikido.

Rob Watson 02-03-2012 07:58 PM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Quote:

Jason Casteel wrote: (Post 302379)
we practice something similar as a koshinage out of a sankyo.

Like this perhaps? ~0:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRdiM...eature=related

CitoMaramba 02-04-2012 10:39 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Morihiro Saito Shihan demonstrating koshi-nage from Ushiro tekubitori kubi shime attack.. note the sankyo type grip he has on the left hand of uke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...bPeUmTVs#t=33s

Shoji Nishio Shihan doing something similar from ai hanmi katatetori:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Rr0uWeV0#t=62s

chillzATL 02-06-2012 09:00 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Quote:

Robert M Watson Jr wrote: (Post 302411)

same general vibe, but leading uke across the back/hips rather than on the same side as the sankyo.

Walter Martindale 02-06-2012 10:28 AM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Her throw looks a little more like a form of shoulder throw from judo, but these seem to be called hip throws in aikido. (Seoinage but from the outside of the arm rather than inside).
W

philippe willaume 02-28-2012 01:26 PM

Re: Is this Koshi-nage?
 
Hello
Yes I would say that it is koshi nague of the hips under persuasion.

IMNSHO she is not doing any thing with his arm or is shoulders other than making sure that she has created the space to turn into and that he is somewhat extended and that she can more les make sure that the dude does not face plant.
Basically she was nice to him

Phil


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