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Mirubiri 01-18-2012 03:48 PM

Rubber bokken for practice?
 
I was wondering if somebody knows where to buy (or make if it canīt be buy) some practice bokken like those on this video. Their seem to be soft and donīt produce sound at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQJhCIu-zI

ramenboy 01-18-2012 04:41 PM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
Quote:

Alejandro Jimenez wrote: (Post 301080)
I was wondering if somebody knows where to buy (or make if it canīt be buy) some practice bokken like those on this video. Their seem to be soft and donīt produce sound at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQJhCIu-zI

That may not necessarily be a rubber bokken.... I think they have a suede cover over the shinai

Mirubiri 01-18-2012 04:47 PM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
Oohps. Searching for the terms "shinai suede cover" google points me that those were sold by Bujin Design (now closed). Bad news for me :(

Janet Rosen 01-18-2012 05:29 PM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
If you know what you want and have the shinai, any good local seamstress should be able to put together a suede cover.

grondahl 01-19-2012 12:00 AM

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Itīs called Fukuro shinai. That should make it easier to locate how toīs and even webshops that sells them ( ex http://www.yamatobudogu.com/Fukuro_S...-s18001-02.htm )

vjw 01-19-2012 06:21 AM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
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Alejandro Jimenez wrote: (Post 301082)
Oohps. Searching for the terms "shinai suede cover" google points me that those were sold by Bujin Design (now closed). Bad news for me :(

Try here: http://www.ninecircles.co.uk/Wooden_...ecialised.aspx

They are a little shorter than the bujin shinai.

Shadowfax 01-22-2012 09:41 AM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
Unfortunately the Bujin shinai are no longer available. At least for the time being. Hopefully Aikido24 will have them in the near future since they now own Bujin. I have recently seen a pretty big selection of shinai and rubber bokken on Amazon.com

Michael Hackett 01-22-2012 01:47 PM

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Another place to try is E-Bogu. They are owned by a kendoka and have a vast array of martial arts supplies. Good service, good prices, good selection.

George S. Ledyard 01-25-2012 08:54 AM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
Quote:

Alejandro Jimenez wrote: (Post 301080)
I was wondering if somebody knows where to buy (or make if it canīt be buy) some practice bokken like those on this video. Their seem to be soft and donīt produce sound at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQJhCIu-zI

This is a "shinai", more specifically a "fukuro shinai" to distinguish it from "kendo shinai" which are uncovered.

They've been around for a long time (Yagyu Ryu and Maniwa Nen Ryu Kenjustsu, for example) but Saotome Sensei is fairly unique amingst Aikido teachers for his use of the shinai. The ones in the video are "yagyu" style and were made by Bu Jin Deisgn. Unfortuantely they are no longer available.

We get ours now from Tozando. Fukuro Shinai Not as solid as the old Bu Jin ones but adequate.

Just a word of caution... if used properly, shinai will last a long time. But if you are a "stick basher". you can literally destroy the bamboo in these in three or four days of incorrect practice.

Cliff Judge 01-25-2012 10:24 AM

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I am told the Yagyukai prefer to use light, thin bamboo. When you become competent at cutting, you can go an entire class without needing to replace it.

Chris Li 01-25-2012 11:38 AM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
Quote:

Alejandro Jimenez wrote: (Post 301082)
Oohps. Searching for the terms "shinai suede cover" google points me that those were sold by Bujin Design (now closed). Bad news for me :(

Frankly, I always hated those things. The problem was that people would be less careful (because of the perceived "softness"), and you actually end up getting whacked a lot more often and more painfully than with a bokuto.

Best,

Chris

George S. Ledyard 01-25-2012 04:53 PM

Re: Rubber bokken for practice?
 
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Christopher Li wrote: (Post 301588)
Frankly, I always hated those things. The problem was that people would be less careful (because of the perceived "softness"), and you actually end up getting whacked a lot more often and more painfully than with a bokuto.

Best,

Chris

Actually, that was precisely why I like them. Folks are scared of the bokken... scared of being hit and scared of hurting someone else. So folks too often don't really commit. They are putting the breaks on before they ever reached full commitment. What I liek about shinai is that the vast majority of folks are willing to actually hity you with the shinai while they won't with a bokken. So, especially when doing wepons taking but even in your paired forms, you get a much cleaner practice because people aren't mucking up the energy by pulling their attacks. I figure its my problem if I get hit... at least my partner is willing to really try with a shinai.

Chris Li 01-25-2012 05:04 PM

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George S. Ledyard wrote: (Post 301629)
Actually, that was precisely why I like them. Folks are scared of the bokken... scared of being hit and scared of hurting someone else. So folks too often don't really commit. They are putting the breaks on before they ever reached full commitment. What I liek about shinai is that the vast majority of folks are willing to actually hity you with the shinai while they won't with a bokken. So, especially when doing wepons taking but even in your paired forms, you get a much cleaner practice because people aren't mucking up the energy by pulling their attacks. I figure its my problem if I get hit... at least my partner is willing to really try with a shinai.

Weapons taking is fine - it's the paired stuff that gets me, right on the knuckles (most other places don't really bother me). That's why kendo guys (and even many koryu ken guys) wear those nice comfy gloves when they train. :)

Best,

Chris

hughrbeyer 01-26-2012 08:59 PM

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Even those shinai are no joke if somebody really wallops you. We were doing a basic kata and someone got me with a yokumen--I don't know where my block was, but nowhere useful--and I was seeing stars for a minute or two. Hate to think what it would have been like if he'd had a bokken...


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