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Cliff Judge 12-12-2011 01:58 PM

question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Is there some particular order here? We've got some seriously spiffy calligraphy on the wall at our dojo but I don't know whether its supposed to go right to left or left to right.

Patrick Hutchinson 12-12-2011 02:20 PM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Sengai's famous image can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/ctbqqy7
Though the context may well be different.
It almost says "Tao"...

Chris Li 12-12-2011 04:50 PM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Quote:

Cliff Judge wrote: (Post 299696)
Is there some particular order here? We've got some seriously spiffy calligraphy on the wall at our dojo but I don't know whether its supposed to go right to left or left to right.

Usually it goes triangle circle square - Ueshiba uses that order in Take Musu Aiki, IIRC. Left to right or right to left, it doesn't make much difference, though most modern Japanese tends to be written left to right.

Best,

Chris

mathewjgano 12-12-2011 05:11 PM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
http://www.csuchico.edu/~gwilliams/t..._Michi_10.html

http://www.tsubakishrine.org/aikido/index.html

In Tsubaki America's haiden (if I'm recalling correctly) there is a picture of triangle circle and square which goes left to right, respectively. On the web page it also is shown in that format. I can see how it might go right to left given the direction of Japanese writing, but I couldn't say very well. Considering as a group they seem to represent a kind of unitary principle, I can see how there might not always be a fixed order. Looking at the physical symbolism of gas, liquid, and solid, depending on whether you're warming up or cooling down, you move from one "direction" to another, for example.
Hopefully people with a better understanding will be able to shed a more definate light on the subject...oops didn't see Chris's post when I started this: there ya go.

lbb 12-12-2011 07:30 PM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
:triangle: beats :square:
:square: beats :circle:
:circle: beats :triangle:

LinTal 12-13-2011 12:17 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
It makes sense to go triangle, circle, square to me too because it seems to shadow the process of a technique / situation.

Walker 12-13-2011 01:06 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
All of the answers are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNT8SMlqLJA

CitoMaramba 12-13-2011 04:38 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Quote:

Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 299729)
:triangle: beats :square:
:square: beats :circle:
:circle: beats :triangle:

"scissors cuts paper
paper covers rock
rock crushes lizard
lizard poisons spock
spock smashes scissors
scissors decapitates lizard
lizard eats paper
paper disproves spock
spock vaporizes rock
and as it always has rock crushes scissors"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kov2G0GouBw

Demetrio Cereijo 12-13-2011 05:51 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Let's not forget the "cross of aiki".

The Playstation guys are into something.

graham christian 12-13-2011 07:13 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Quote:

Demetrio Cereijo wrote: (Post 299759)
Let's not forget the "cross of aiki".

The Playstation guys are into something.

Oooh I like that, that's one of mine.

Cliff Judge 12-13-2011 07:57 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Quote:

Christopher Li wrote: (Post 299717)
Usually it goes triangle circle square - Ueshiba uses that order in Take Musu Aiki, IIRC. Left to right or right to left, it doesn't make much difference, though most modern Japanese tends to be written left to right.

Best,

Chris

Well I don't think calligraphy and modern Japanese are entirely unified sets.

Chris Li 12-13-2011 08:13 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Quote:

Cliff Judge wrote: (Post 299775)
Well I don't think calligraphy and modern Japanese are entirely unified sets.

No, but if you see most calligraphy these days it tends to go right to left. Why not? It's what most people are used to seeing and writing.

It's not a rule, though, you still see left to right here and there.

Best,

Chris

Cliff Judge 12-13-2011 08:38 AM

Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square
 
Quote:

Christopher Li wrote: (Post 299777)
No, but if you see most calligraphy these days it tends to go right to left. Why not? It's what most people are used to seeing and writing.

It's not a rule, though, you still see left to right here and there.

Best,

Chris

When the brushes come out, its pretty much right to left, top to bottom.Though the kanji themselves tend to go top to bottom, left to right. And of course all rules that cover anything in Japanese are 100% absolute, except for the exceptions.


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