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Demetrio Cereijo 10-02-2011 08:15 AM

Tagalog translation?
 
I've been looking around about the suppossed banning of Filipino Martial Arts practise by spanish colonial government and found this:

"Buhat nuong 1569, ay marami na sa mga mamamayan sa Kapuluan ang nahikayat na sumailalim ng pananampalatayang Katoliko Romano, at halos nakaligtaan na nag larong kali o arnis sa paghahangad na tawagin sila'y mga "Filipino Ilustrado". Ang kali na dating laro nila ay idinaraos lamang sa mga pambihinrang pagkakataon. At nang ipagbawal ni Don Simon de Anda y Slazar, nuong 1764, ang anumang uri ng laro ay patuluyang naligpit, maliban lamang sa mga taong namamayang Malaya sa bundok at samga malalayong nayon na hindi pa binyagan." (page 12, par. 5)

Source: Excerpts from "Mga Karunungan sa Larong Anis"

Could any of the Tagalog speakers around here give me a translation.

Thanks in advance.

CitoMaramba 10-02-2011 10:30 AM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
Hola Demetrio,

I'll give it a shot.. My fellow Tagalog speakers may correct me..

"From 1569 many inhabitants of the Islands [the Philippines - translators note] were convinced to submit to the Roman Catholic faith, and the sport of kali or arnis was almost completely ignored due to their wish to be called "Filipino Ilustrado" ["illustrious Filipinos" - translators note]. Kali, which was a former pastime, was practiced only on rare occasions. And when Don Simon de Anda y Salazar [1] banned in 1764 any form of sport, the number of people practising [kali] continued to decrease, save for the people living free in the mountains and in distant places, who had not yet been baptised."

Hope this helps.

[1] Simon de Anda was an Oidor and Lt. Governor General who became acting Governor General of the Philippines, from 1762 to 1764 during the British Occupation of Manila. He organised resistance against the British. His decree could have been part of his measures to prevent the Filipino natives from aiding the British invaders. When the British left the Philippines in 1764, Francisco de la Torre was proclaimed Governor General. Anda left but returned to the Philippines in 1770 with a Royal Decree proclaiming him as the official Governor General.

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Demetrio Cereijo wrote: (Post 293871)
I've been looking around about the suppossed banning of Filipino Martial Arts practise by spanish colonial government and found this:

"Buhat nuong 1569, ay marami na sa mga mamamayan sa Kapuluan ang nahikayat na sumailalim ng pananampalatayang Katoliko Romano, at halos nakaligtaan na nag larong kali o arnis sa paghahangad na tawagin sila'y mga "Filipino Ilustrado". Ang kali na dating laro nila ay idinaraos lamang sa mga pambihinrang pagkakataon. At nang ipagbawal ni Don Simon de Anda y Slazar, nuong 1764, ang anumang uri ng laro ay patuluyang naligpit, maliban lamang sa mga taong namamayang Malaya sa bundok at samga malalayong nayon na hindi pa binyagan." (page 12, par. 5)

Source: Excerpts from "Mga Karunungan sa Larong Anis"

Could any of the Tagalog speakers around here give me a translation.

Thanks in advance.


Demetrio Cereijo 10-02-2011 11:01 AM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
Thanks Inocencio.

Your translation is very useful.

Quote:

His decree could have been part of his measures to prevent the Filipino natives from aiding the British invaders.
This opens a lot of questions, I still have to dig more on the issue.

CitoMaramba 10-02-2011 12:25 PM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
You're welcome, Demetrio.
Some more information about Simon de Anda, can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_de_Anda

Demetrio Cereijo 10-02-2011 02:00 PM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
Hi Inocencio,

Simon de Anda's role during the British Occupation of Manila is well documented, both in English and in Spanish (of course there is debate about who the "good guys" were). My problem is with the suppossed banning of filipino martial arts atributted to him, based on the text you kindly translated.

CitoMaramba 10-02-2011 04:02 PM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
Hola Demetrio,
Unfortunately, Mirafuente did not give a reference for the Simon de Anda's proclamation... in a way it is similar to the Okinawan weapons ban... there are few citations for the actual document that proclaims the ban. In that time period however, there were at least two active revolts against the Spanish rule in the Philippines: 1) The Diego Silang revolt in Ilocos province and 2) the Juan de la Cruz Palaris revolt in the nearby province of Pangasinan. This, and the British occupation of Manila must have made for very trying times for Don Simon de Anda.

Best wishes,

Cito

CitoMaramba 02-10-2013 06:54 AM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
Here is another article that questions the existence of a martial arts ban in Spanish Colonial Philippines:
http://www.fmapulse.com/content/fma-...really-ban-fma

Demetrio Cereijo 02-11-2013 08:37 AM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
Thanks Inocencio.

So, how/when do you think the legend of the FMA ban began?

CitoMaramba 02-11-2013 09:44 AM

Re: Tagalog translation?
 
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Demetrio Cereijo wrote: (Post 323433)
Thanks Inocencio.

So, how/when do you think the legend of the FMA ban began?

To be honest, based on the evidence, I think it began with a misinterpretation of the section "Maikling Kasaysayan ng Arnis " (A short history of Arnis)that Buenaventura Mirafuente wrote in the book "Mga Karunungan sa Larong Arnis" (Lessons in the Sport of Arnis) that was edited by Placido Yambao. Mirafuente wrote that:
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At nang ipagbawal ni Don Simon de Anda y Slazar, nuong 1764, ang anumang uri ng laro..
"Laro" can be translated as "sport" or "play". So this would be translated as "a ban on any form of sport", not necessarily a ban on martial arts training.
However, people who would want to liken the ban to the edict issued by the Satsuma Clan banning weapons on Okinawa (another historical controversy), would probably want to interpret it as a martial arts ban.
Just my 2 centavos worth.

Kind regards,

Cito


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