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carina reinhardt 10-11-2010 01:41 AM

Real aikido is not just for the dojo
 
Niall Matthews wrote it in another thread and I agree with him.
Aikido is a way of life.
I'm new here and perhaps you treat this item before. I hope I can explain what I mean, in spanish or german it would be easier for me, it is a challenge to do it in english and I know that stepwise I will refresh this language again.
In our first aikidoclasses we are confused trying to understand anything between the rare movements and the strange words.
But after a few years we realize that the movements give sense and we notice a change in our behaviour, we become much calmer, organized and see every problem from a certain distance.
As a shodan we get a responsibility as a person, a human beeing in all our acts and our behaviour during the rest of our life.

lbb 10-11-2010 06:18 AM

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"A way of life"? What does that mean? Does it mean that you live in a dojo? Does it mean that you give up your job and become an uchideshi?

WilliB 10-11-2010 06:48 AM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 266038)
"A way of life"? What does that mean? Does it mean that you live in a dojo? Does it mean that you give up your job and become an uchideshi?

:-)

New-age pontificating about how aiki all your life is getting, I`d rather expect, wouldn`t you?

Demetrio Cereijo 10-11-2010 06:48 AM

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Carina Reinhardt wrote: (Post 266028)
As a shodan we get a responsibility as a person, a human beeing in all our acts and our behaviour during the rest of our life.

Carina, pleaaaaase! This is not the 'aikiflorum'.

niall 10-11-2010 07:03 AM

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Carina Reinhardt wrote: (Post 266028)
...we notice a change in our behaviour, we become much calmer, organized and see every problem from a certain distance.

That's a nice description, Carina. Wow! Some negativity coming out, though! Don't worry about it.

Aikido helps you become centred, relaxed and aware in all aspects of your life. If you want to be, of course. Some people may not want to be and that's cool too.

dps 10-11-2010 07:24 AM

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Carina Reinhardt wrote: (Post 266028)
Niall Matthews wrote it in another thread and I agree with him.
Aikido is a way of life.
I'm new here and perhaps you treat this item before. I hope I can explain what I mean, in spanish or german it would be easier for me, it is a challenge to do it in english and I know that stepwise I will refresh this language again.
In our first aikidoclasses we are confused trying to understand anything between the rare movements and the strange words.
But after a few years we realize that the movements give sense and we notice a change in our behaviour, we become much calmer, organized and see every problem from a certain distance.
As a shodan we get a responsibility as a person, a human beeing in all our acts and our behaviour during the rest of our life.

I think you expressed yourself very well and I understand and agree with what you are saying.

But it does not happen to everyone who does Aikido.

David

lbb 10-11-2010 07:30 AM

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Niall Matthews wrote: (Post 266042)
Aikido helps you become centred, relaxed and aware in all aspects of your life. If you want to be, of course. Some people may not want to be and that's cool too.

I hear it also cures male pattern baldness and bad breath, too.

I'm going to turn the question back to you, Niall. If people don't see aikido as a "way of life" (or even, like me, ask what that is supposed to mean), why do you assume that that means that they simply "don't want" all this groovy wonderfulness? Maybe we're skeptical -- and maybe with good reason; grandiose claims are a dime a dozen in the martial arts. Questioning them is prudent.

So I ask again: what makes aikido a "way of life"? Do you have to give up your job and your family and become a full-time live-in student? If you don't, how can you call it a "way of life"? For those of us who don't live in the dojo, aikido does not prescribe the answer to many of our day to day situations. I've got to write some marketing junk for work today -- I'm not going to learn how to do that in the dojo. After work, I've got to clean out my shed, and despite the protestations of those who believe that every step they take is tai sabaki and every movement they make is an aikido technique...it isn't, it's just cleaning a shed. I could work a broom before I ever walked in a dojo, and the dojo hasn't taught me how to do it better or differently.

Why is there a need to fancy up the activities of daily living with this aikido embroidery? Why is there a need to imagine aikido as a "way of life"?

"'Let's work without theorizing,' sais Martin; 'It's the only way to make life bearable.'"

- Candide

carina reinhardt 10-11-2010 07:33 AM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 266038)
"A way of life"? What does that mean? Does it mean that you live in a dojo? Does it mean that you give up your job and become an uchideshi?

hahaha, no I don't live in a dojo
For me it is a way of life as a deeper sense, to act like you are a shodan always, at home and at work, it is very difficult for me to explain it, I think only Niall understood what I tried to explain..
Demetrio I know this is not the aikiforum but my thoughts and feeling are the same. I am very impressed of the knowledge the people who are writing here have, also yours. I'm here to learn :)
It is very interesting to read all you write, I told this a virtual friend from Caracas, maybe it encourages him to register also..
sunny regards from the island of the eternal spring:)

niall 10-11-2010 07:58 AM

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Hi, Mary. I said that aikido helps you become centred, relaxed and aware in all aspects of your life. That's pretty simple - not fancy at all. That centredness is there if you want it. If you don't - hey, it's your life. I don't want to convince you of anything. If aikido ends at the dojo door for you that's cool. But one day you might surprise yourself. If you keep doing aikido I'm pretty sure you will. Regards, Niall

Aikibu 10-11-2010 08:36 AM

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It's a way of life for me too. :) And considering all the wonderful choices I have as an American like for example,,, Tea Party Hater...Ignorant Stooge of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh...John Wayne Pretender...it's a really good choice LOL

There are so many illusions in the world that folks can cling to in order to give their life meaning Aikido can be one of those (aka the thread on "Japanizing") but hey who said the process of becoming who you are isn't full of delusion? :)

Good Luck and perhaps we'll run into each other as we travel the same journey. :)

William Hazen

Marc Abrams 10-11-2010 08:53 AM

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I prefer to practice fantasy, non-organic, politically incorrect Aikido in my sleep on the sixth Sunday of every month outside of the dojo :confused: .

Marc Abrams

Flintstone 10-11-2010 09:11 AM

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Is Aikido's "way of life" better than chess' way of life, or flight attendant's way of life, or clerk's way of life? Why is that Aikido is that magical thinggy? Oh, yes. Because that's what we do.

If you played bolleyball then bolleyball would be a way of life. How new age. Don't play aikiflorum here, Carina. Please.

Demetrio Cereijo 10-11-2010 09:31 AM

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Carina Reinhardt wrote: (Post 266047)
For me it is a way of life as a deeper sense, to act like you are a shodan always, at home and at work, it is very difficult for me to explain it,

Hakama superpowers activate!!!

niall 10-11-2010 09:34 AM

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Wow all the people who don't want us to be relaxed or centred in our lives. If people want to post their views of aikido that's cool. That's what the forums are for. Mary doesn't agree but at least she's trying to understand and is asking serious questions. What's all the negative stuff? And sarcasm. Not much harmony going on there then. And not giving a very warm welcome to a new member. Well as long as you have a laugh.

Just so I know are all you guys trying to tell me that you do aikido and you don't feel centred in your life? Maybe there are more efficient ways to train.

Demetrio Cereijo 10-11-2010 09:59 AM

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Niall, you're reaching conclusions without having all the data.

mathewjgano 10-11-2010 10:04 AM

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Willi Brix wrote: (Post 266040)
:-)

New-age pontificating about how aiki all your life is getting, I`d rather expect, wouldn`t you?

I took it to mean "[Authentic] aikido is not just for the dojo" and can shape our lives in at least a few ways.

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Mary wrote:
...what makes aikido a "way of life"?

Speaking for myself of course, I think a way of life is anything which provides guiding principles we use to shape our lives. For me, skiing is just as much a way of life as aikido. Of course they're pretty different. Aikido is far more formalized and codefied, but they both serve as great lenses to apply to the solitary path that is this life of mine.

WilliB 10-11-2010 10:05 AM

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William Hazen wrote: (Post 266049)
It's a way of life for me too. :) And considering all the wonderful choices I have as an American like for example,,, Tea Party Hater...Ignorant Stooge of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh...John Wayne Pretender...it's a really good choice LOL

There are even better choices... you could be an educated connossiur of Ed Schulz, a Keith Olberman lover, a deep Chris Matthews thinker, an Obama youth corps organizers... life offers so much. Why dispair?

mathewjgano 10-11-2010 10:14 AM

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Niall Matthews wrote: (Post 266058)
Wow all the people who don't want us to be relaxed or centred in our lives.

I don't get the sense folks are saying this, but I would agree there is always an interesting amount of cynicism that goes with topics like this. My meager opinion is that it's largely a matter of taste in rhetoric...I'm betting no one would disagree with the specific examples that were provided, though they might offer counter-points as a cautionary device.

lbb 10-11-2010 10:44 AM

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Niall Matthews wrote: (Post 266058)
Wow all the people who don't want us to be relaxed or centred in our lives.

And:

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Niall Matthews wrote: (Post 266058)
Just so I know are all you guys trying to tell me that you do aikido and you don't feel centred in your life? .

That's an assumptive question if ever there is one. People have questions about (or disagreements with) OP's statement that if you're doing "real aikido", you're also doing it outside the dojo...and you decide this is tantamount to stating that they don't feel centered in their lives and don't want to. Do you see where this can scrape people the wrong way?

lbb 10-11-2010 10:46 AM

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Matthew Gano wrote: (Post 266062)
Speaking for myself of course, I think a way of life is anything which provides guiding principles we use to shape our lives. For me, skiing is just as much a way of life as aikido.

But you've only got one life. So which is your "way of life": aikido or skiing?

Aikibu 10-11-2010 10:57 AM

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Willi Brix wrote: (Post 266063)
There are even better choices... you could be an educated connossiur of Ed Schulz, a Keith Olberman lover, a deep Chris Matthews thinker, an Obama youth corps organizers... life offers so much. Why dispair?

Who's despairing? LOL I practice Aikido as a way of life. :D

Life is lived in color not black and white...:)

William Hazen

mathewjgano 10-11-2010 11:30 AM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 266073)
But you've only got one life. So which is your "way of life": aikido or skiing?

I would describe them both as being aspects of my way of life. One doesn't necessarily preclude the other...or maybe more to the point, it depends on the situation as to which might. I would argue everyone has a unique expression of any given way, which implies to me that all ways of life are subservient to individual way of life.
So in other words, i don't think one has to devote one's life to aikido to include aikido as "a" way of life...never mind periods of time where one might simply want to make it the only "way" they try to emulate.

carina reinhardt 10-11-2010 12:20 PM

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Coming back from office and I finding all this posts:).
It is normal that most of you don't understand and a pity to realize that you are practising that long but probably will never understand.
Niall,David, William, Mathew thank you for your understanding, in the often named Aikiforum there was only one who understood, but he travels almost every year to Japan:):
Demetrio, I'sorry you don't understand me, you are a teacher and have a great knowledge, maybe lack of sensibility.
Alejandro repeat what Demetrio already wrote, lack of imagination and I don't think you will ever understand:(
And Mary I'll try to explain in your words:Do you have to give up your job and your family and become a full-time live-in student? No Mary making Aikido a way of life you will do your job better, you will become centredness, also atending your family, not getting nervous when everybody wants something from you as fast as possible, you will do one thing after the other, will order them by priority. Perhaps if you ask me more things I can explain better:)

Demetrio Cereijo 10-11-2010 12:33 PM

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Carina Reinhardt wrote: (Post 266086)
Demetrio, I'sorry you don't understand me, you are a teacher and have a great knowledge, maybe lack of sensibility.

I understand you, that's why I'm your 警策

carina reinhardt 10-11-2010 12:38 PM

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Demetrio pls translate:)
And Mary one more example what we are doing here is also aikido,
one party attacking and the others defending:) with words. It is now clear for you ?


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