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mastro 07-14-2010 11:26 PM

5th kyu question
 
Hi everybody this is my first post!! Today are my 5th kyu exams and i would to ask you if someone has a video or a detailed description about the kaitenage-soto-tenkan technique!! i would like to see some last min errors :) hope someone can help me!!

niall 07-15-2010 04:18 AM

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Maybe try "soto kaiten nage" in youtube? Good luck!

lbb 07-15-2010 07:36 AM

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Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

Mikemac 07-15-2010 08:19 AM

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Here's a video from a dojo that lists all the techniques for testing on their site. Maybe this is what you are looking for:

http://www.chushin.com/Video/5th/Kat...itennageTS.wmv

aikishihan 07-15-2010 08:45 AM

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Hello Michael,

It appears that James Nakayama Sensei was performing "uchi" kaiten nage, not "soto". The "atemi" was omitted, so it may look confusing.

It still looks good enough to use for training purposes!

Yoroshiku ongegaishimasu.

mastro 07-15-2010 08:58 AM

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thanks everybody!! i ll leave for the exams now!
i ll post the results, i ll try not to be nervous :)

Mikemac 07-15-2010 09:24 AM

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Francis Takahashi wrote: (Post 261329)
Hello Michael,

It appears that James Nakayama Sensei was performing "uchi" kaiten nage, not "soto". The "atemi" was omitted, so it may look confusing.

It still looks good enough to use for training purposes!

Yoroshiku ongegaishimasu.

Yeah......I realize the slight differences between schools and techniques. Figured it might help though.

Shadowfax 07-15-2010 02:16 PM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261326)
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

My 5th kyu test included Kaiten nage uchi, soto, omote and ura versions as well as the first 4 bokken kata. :)

Mastro- I had looked on Utube for kaiten nage and I think I saw a few but they didn't quite match what my sensei was teaching. I mainly just asked someone in the dojo to let me practice on them lets of times with sensei watching and correcting me in between classes.

mastro 07-15-2010 03:08 PM

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Thanks everybody again!I passed my exams!! im 5th kyu now! Good luck to everybody and continue our progress!!

aikishihan 07-15-2010 07:51 PM

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Congratulations!

Now for that dreaded 4th kyu preparation, eh?

Good luck!

Janet Rosen 07-15-2010 09:46 PM

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Giorgos Mastrogiannis wrote: (Post 261372)
Thanks everybody again!I passed my exams!! im 5th kyu now! Good luck to everybody and continue our progress!!

Congratulations on your first milestone in the journey!

Shadowfax 07-16-2010 01:59 PM

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:) congratulations.

Mikemac 07-16-2010 04:06 PM

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Way to go! Congratulations!!

ninjaqutie 07-18-2010 11:36 PM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261326)
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

We did uchi and soto kaitenage on my 5th kyu test.

On another note:
CONGRATS ON PASSING YOUR TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

RED 07-19-2010 07:39 AM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261326)
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

A lot of associations and non-affiliated dojo require kaitenage.
It wasn't on my 5th kyu test. Didn't see it until 3rd kyu.
But associations (like ASU) or what not, aren't always standardize for what is or not on a kyu test. (sometimes they are standardized in regions, but there is differences from north to south USA, or east to west USA. ) I've heard of an ASU school the requires a "simplistic" variation of about every named technique you can think of. (While the ASU kyu tests aren't always standardized, their black belt tests are more standardized. They can only be belted in the dan ranks by their shihan. However some non-affiliates have zero consistency, even within the same school, for both kyu and dan ranks...different strokes I guess.)

Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

ninjaqutie 07-19-2010 09:01 PM

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Maggie Schill wrote: (Post 261553)
Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

Yeah, we used to be with USAF-Western region, but now we are with Birankai. It is my understanding that we still follow their testing guidelines closely, but our sensei has some wiggle room to cut and or add techniques :)

lbb 07-20-2010 06:44 AM

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Maggie Schill wrote: (Post 261553)
Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?

David Maidment 07-20-2010 11:04 AM

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Maggie Schill wrote: (Post 261553)
I've heard of an ASU school the requires a "simplistic" variation of about every named technique you can think of.

We have something like this. Most techniques are on most gradings (in some form or another). At each stage the idea is that you'll be able to see a vast improvement over previous gradings. A sizeable portion of our gokyu test is repeated in the nikyu test.

RED 07-20-2010 11:32 AM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261605)
Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?

Well I'm not going to criticize the testing standards of other federations. I'm sure they have very real reasons for what they do, and there are specific things their Shihan want out of their students.

ninjaqutie 07-20-2010 12:11 PM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261605)
Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?

Mary, out of curiosity, what types of techniques are on the 5th kyu exam in your dojo? :) I don't need a full list or anything like that, but I would be interested in hearing more.

lbb 07-20-2010 01:26 PM

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Ashley Carter wrote: (Post 261634)
Mary, out of curiosity, what types of techniques are on the 5th kyu exam in your dojo? :) I don't need a full list or anything like that, but I would be interested in hearing more.

Oh jeez, like I'm going to be able to remember that. Well, if you google, you can find out what the USAF requirements are -- they haven't changed much for fifth kyu since I tested, I don't think. The reason I'm not going to remember, though, is that our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants". I really don't recall what that was for my test, but I don't believe we had any of kaitenage/udenage for fifth kyu. That said, there was a kyu test last Saturday, and the one poor guy who was testing for fifth kind of got dragged along with the people testing for 4th, and there may have been a kaitenage or two involved...I really don't remember. What's always there is suwariwaza, typically ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, iriminage and maybe shihonage...same stuff standing...eh, I don't remember what all else. It's really not that many different techniques, just from different attacks, with different openings, standing, suwari waza, hanmi handachi.

RED 07-20-2010 02:25 PM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261640)
Oh jeez, like I'm going to be able to remember that. Well, if you google, you can find out what the USAF requirements are -- they haven't changed much for fifth kyu since I tested, I don't think. The reason I'm not going to remember, though, is that our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants". I really don't recall what that was for my test, but I don't believe we had any of kaitenage/udenage for fifth kyu. That said, there was a kyu test last Saturday, and the one poor guy who was testing for fifth kind of got dragged along with the people testing for 4th, and there may have been a kaitenage or two involved...I really don't remember. What's always there is suwariwaza, typically ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, iriminage and maybe shihonage...same stuff standing...eh, I don't remember what all else. It's really not that many different techniques, just from different attacks, with different openings, standing, suwari waza, hanmi handachi.

USAF doesn't introduce kaitenage until 3rd kyu. Suwariwaza at 4th, hamni handachi until 3rd.
The test technique requirements haven't changed since the 1980's.

lbb 07-20-2010 07:45 PM

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Maggie Schill wrote: (Post 261649)
USAF doesn't introduce kaitenage until 3rd kyu. Suwariwaza at 4th, hamni handachi until 3rd.
The test technique requirements haven't changed since the 1980's.

As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".

RED 07-20-2010 08:08 PM

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Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 261662)
As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".

Does he adhere to at least the minimal requirements in addition to "whatever he wants"?

lbb 07-21-2010 03:13 PM

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Maggie Schill wrote: (Post 261665)
Does he adhere to at least the minimal requirements in addition to "whatever he wants"?

Yes. Are you satisfied now that you've done your due diligence? :p


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