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Adam Huss 09-19-2009 12:05 AM

shodan shinsa vs. 1st kyu
 
I didn't see this in a previous discussion, but I apologize if I am regurgitating another thread:

Does anyone else's testing requirements lend to a more difficult 1st kyu test than a shodan test? Whether its amount of information required to perform, or the physical nature, I occasionally see test curriculum that most people consider 1st kyu being tougher...what are your opinions/experiences?

Disclaimer:
for organizations that have testing syllabi with "five arts" being the basis of dan testing, I understand there is the "catch all" of previous technique requirements...as well as the understanding that the testing student should progress over the course of his or her training (through the transition to henka, kaeisha waza, etc, requirements).

cheers!
~A

David Maidment 09-19-2009 06:58 AM

Re: shodan shinsa vs. 1st kyu
 
I've hear it said of our organisation that 3rd kyu is the toughest test (relative to your ability at the time of testing, of course) until nidan.

And it is all relative. People tend to put so much emphasis on shodan that one typically wouldn't be allowed to test until it's known that they will almost certainly pass. With kyu grades this may not be so much the case.

Carsten Möllering 09-19-2009 11:42 AM

Re: shodan shinsa vs. 1st kyu
 
Hi
Quote:

Adam Huss wrote: (Post 241019)
Does anyone else's testing requirements lend to a more difficult 1st kyu test than a shodan test? Whether its amount of information required to perform, or the physical nature, I occasionally see test curriculum that most people consider 1st kyu being tougher...what are your opinions/experiences?

Well in our Organisation, the German Aikido Federation (Endo Shihan and Tissier Shihan) the testing requirements increase with every grading.

So from gokyu to ikkyu there is a list of the techniques asked in the test. So you know, what you will be asked and what you have to show.

For shodan there is no such list and you have to be able to show every technique from every possible attack + tanto dori + jiyu waza against two attackers.The grading takes about the double of the time of a ikkyu test.
And of course you can fail. The grading doesn't take place in your home dojo with your own teacher but in front of a national jury. So the jury often doesn't know the examinee and his abilities.

From nidan on you have to be able to show every technique from every possible attack + tanto dori + jo dori + jo nage + tachi dori + jiyu waza against three attackers + futari dori ...
And you have to show it deeper and "better" then in the last grading.

The yondan grading is conducted by one of the shihan.

Carsten


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