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dps 11-02-2007 05:13 AM

Intention of Technique
 
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

David

Larry Cuvin 11-02-2007 09:02 AM

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Blend and lead ki is what I always try to do (and apply the principles of non-dissention), but being a noob, I mostly end up mucking the blending part in one form or another. I think throw and suddenly my shoulders however slightly, tenses up, looses power and I end up muscling the technique. Once in a while though, I do it right.

Larry

xuzen 11-02-2007 09:10 AM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

David

I used to think how BAD-ASS (TM) I would be if I were to do it on a REAL-LIFE (TM) Thug.

Nowadays, I JUST DO IT (TM) without any thoughts. The result can be amazingly powerful, and I get more blissfully high feeling. My intention is nothing, I just go with the flow. No thoughts, no intention... JUST DO IT (TM).

Disclaimer: I am not an advocate of any BRAND.

Boon.

gdandscompserv 11-02-2007 09:41 AM

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I always do them with the intention of looking good!

:p

odudog 11-02-2007 12:24 PM

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Control. I control how you fall and where and painful or not.

Tijani1150 11-02-2007 12:37 PM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

David

very wise question as the right intention could make all the difference.

Michael Douglas 11-02-2007 12:42 PM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
... When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

I'd like them to fall on the floor without being broken, and without smacking me in the nose.
I'd hate for them to somersault themselves across the room, or land on their head, or get a broken wrist, or squeal too loudly.

Christopher Gee 11-02-2007 05:32 PM

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SHINKEN, upmost earnst, technically, spiritually and mentally (not necessarily in that order)

Mark Uttech 11-02-2007 06:33 PM

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My intention is to get involved in something that 'the wind is doing', and discovering for myself the utter wonder of it all.

In gassho,

Mark

Qatana 11-03-2007 09:31 AM

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To have my partner comprehend my point of view without having to try to shove it down their throats.
Diplomacy through Aikido... obviously I still suck at it.

SeiserL 11-03-2007 01:22 PM

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My intent is to be the one in charge (assertive not aggressive).
My strategy is to use circular motion/movement to enter, blend, and take balance.
My tactic is what ever Aikido technique lends itself at the moment.

IMHO, energy/ki is directed by the mind/intent.

Avery Jenkins 11-04-2007 02:49 AM

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These days, I'm really focusing on feeling uke and his/her response throughout the technique. I'm trying to make the throw all about uke, because really...it is. I'm just a bit player in their ukemi.

Amir Krause 11-04-2007 04:07 AM

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Depending on the situation

some times my intention is to simply do the technique,
Other times I intend to examine some point in my execution,
At other times I intend to show a beginner how to perform the technique, or to correct some specific elment.

Each execution has it own context, and I try to keep myself whithin the context.

Amir

Dyryke 11-04-2007 01:28 PM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

David

  • First priority: Avoid. Neutralize the attack by block or dodge.
  • Second priority: If possible, do the block or dodge in such a way as to give yourself a positional and momentum advantage.
  • Third priority: Use these advantages to do A technique.

I found that in training, the attack on nage should be sincere. If uke goes to grab or punch, actually connect if nage botches the Avoid. But really, blocking or dodging should be the most important. In the Real World, a person may have to block, dodge, counterattack many many times in a real fight before he is afforded an opportunity he can exploit (at his skill level).

When the attack is sincere, nage can then practice his second priority, that is to say, blocking with a pivot, or a step in. Knowing the attack is sincere helps nage do this effectively. Once nage gets good at this, he can read uke's energy, his momentum, etc, and prepare for the last part.

Once nage has dealt with the attack, gotten an advantage, he can then take all his instinctive "reads" on uke's energy and turn it around on him. This manifests itself in a pin, throw, or takedown. It is neutralizing uke's ability to attempt to further harm you.

It is my sincerest belief that Aikido lies in the second part, more than anywhere else in the technique.

Derek

Stefan Stenudd 11-05-2007 06:25 AM

Joyous
 
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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

What a wonderful question! I should try to say something profound ;)

I want it to be joyous, like a dance. I want uke to feel that this was the best outcome imaginable. I want to feel a flow without interruptions or awkward corners. And I want us both to feel better afterward.

Maybe aikido should be regarded as healing. It is definitely an art. A healing art?

Dirk Hanss 11-05-2007 07:38 AM

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Stefan Stenudd wrote: (Post 193194)
What a wonderful question! I should try to say something profound ;)

I want it to be joyous, like a dance. I want uke to feel that this was the best outcome imaginable. I want to feel a flow without interruptions or awkward corners. And I want us both to feel better afterward.

Maybe aikido should be regarded as healing. It is definitely an art. A healing art?

I love that, Stefan
But I guess then there is a problem inthe question "when you do an aikido technique".
What you do should what you described as joyous dance, make uke feel good, etc. The aikido technique is just something that happens. If one DOES a technique one (re)attacks, which is not the goal of aikido.

But I have to admit, I (try to) DO techniques. Everytime I try to feel the enregy and let things happen, I end up in a big knot :o

But I am improving slowly. The point, when I have to switch from letting things happen to enforcing the technique, is moving. It is much later than it was a year ago, and hopfully in the near future (next 5 years) it might pass the time of contact. ;)

But from time to time I try again to let things happen, and sometimes something happens that a technique is easy to perform. usully my teachers comment then are "but we are doing xyz technique at the moment".

Just my 2 cts

Dirk

MM 11-05-2007 07:39 AM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

David

I think, perhaps, that I want them to understand that they had no control. Feelings get in the way of understanding. Feelings can lead to misjudgment of the situation. I want an understanding to appear to them that there is some *thing* that they can not control, either in their actions or mine or both. If someone pushes me and I do not move, then I want an understanding from the pusher that what they attempted in their control did not work. If they attack, I want an understanding that their actions lacked control of either me or themselves or both. Beyond that, I hope that one day my level of mastery will allow the intention of either break/kill or pass-through, but through choice built upon skill.

Technique is not important. There should be no technique.

Mark

Mattias Bengtsson 11-05-2007 10:59 AM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 193015)
What is your intention when you do an Aikido technique? When you do a shiho nage or kote gaeshi what do you intend to happen to uke?

David

In the dojo, my intent is to avoid injuring my uke.

in real life, my intent is to avoid injury to myself.

Dirk Hanss 11-06-2007 06:47 AM

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Mattias Bengtsson wrote: (Post 193230)
In the dojo, my intent is to avoid injuring my uke.

in real life, my intent is to avoid injury to myself.

Dear Mattias,
while there is a lot of truth in your words,...
If those are your only intentions, you are not doing aikido. In dojo you would just get out of the way and avoid contact, and in real life you would immediately kill everybody, who is looking somehow threatening.

But I do not think, that is what you meant, so don't take my nit-picky comments too serious.

Best regards Dirk

Aikibu 11-06-2007 10:54 AM

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To enter and achieve Harmony.

William Hazen

mickeygelum 11-06-2007 10:59 AM

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In the dojo, my intent is to avoid injuring my uke.

in real life, my intent is to avoid injury to myself.
Honesty, simple honesty. Thank you, Mr Bengtsson...rei

Mattias Bengtsson 11-06-2007 05:18 PM

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Dirk Hanss wrote: (Post 193335)
Dear Mattias,
while there is a lot of truth in your words,...
If those are your only intentions, you are not doing aikido. In dojo you would just get out of the way and avoid contact, and in real life you would immediately kill everybody, who is looking somehow threatening.

But I do not think, that is what you meant, so don't take my nit-picky comments too serious.

Best regards Dirk

it can certainly be perceived as such.. but, the latter can also be achieved by running away, and dont necessarily mean to hurt the opponent.
If i have the level of ability to avoid injuring a opponent and avoid injury to myself its possible that that is what i will do, but until i achieve that level, my own safety are my priority.

In real life, you cant trust the compassion of other people if you surrender yourself to their mercy, but you CAN count on your own compassion to let your opponent go.

and the first part is that i would feel horribly bad if i happened to injure my uke in the dojo, as that would've meant carelessness on my part..

so sorry, not that terribly profound after all...:D

xuzen 11-06-2007 09:07 PM

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Mattias Bengtsson wrote: (Post 193230)
In the dojo, my intent is to avoid injuring my uke.

in real life, my intent is to avoid injury to myself.

Short and precise answer... I like it.

Boon.

dps 11-06-2007 09:12 PM

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Mattias Bengtsson wrote: (Post 193402)
it can certainly be perceived as such.. but, the latter can also be achieved by running away, and dont necessarily mean to hurt the opponent.
If i have the level of ability to avoid injuring a opponent and avoid injury to myself its possible that that is what i will do, but until i achieve that level, my own safety are my priority.

In real life, you cant trust the compassion of other people if you surrender yourself to their mercy, but you CAN count on your own compassion to let your opponent go.

and the first part is that i would feel horribly bad if i happened to injure my uke in the dojo, as that would've meant carelessness on my part..

so sorry, not that terribly profound after all...:D

I love it when other people express my thoughts better than me.

Thank You
David


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