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gdandscompserv 08-29-2007 08:23 PM

Solo Training Exercises
 
Please post examples/descriptions/videos of what you consider to be effective solo, budo training workouts. This one looks like it would be beneficial to developing the "budo body."

gdandscompserv 08-30-2007 06:56 AM

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I tried it ^ out this morning. Interesting. I like it. Kind of a pain though. I have to grab the dumbell from the weight room, carry it to the aerobic's room, do the exercise, and carry it back. It's all good I suppose. Walking around with a dumbell in tow is good for me anyway.
I have come to the conclusion that Sagawa Yukiyoshi is correct concerning the value and necessity of solo training. I think I had become a technique junkie. My focus is a little different now.

Budd 08-30-2007 08:04 AM

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Good luck with your solo training, Ricky.

dps 08-30-2007 08:25 AM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 188102)
Please post examples/descriptions/videos of what you consider to be effective solo, budo training workouts. This one looks like it would be beneficial to developing the "budo body."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnBXdBklr-I

David

gdandscompserv 08-30-2007 08:25 AM

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Budd Yuhasz wrote: (Post 188142)
Good luck with your solo training, Ricky.

Thanks Budd, I'll need it!
It looks like my training will be similar to this thread...solo. lol

HL1978 08-30-2007 08:28 AM

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I do the aunkai exercises discussed elsewhere on this forum. A lot of thrusting a 3.5lbs staff, leg raises etc

gdandscompserv 08-30-2007 08:36 AM

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Hunter Lonsberry wrote: (Post 188147)
I do the aunkai exercises discussed elsewhere on this forum. A lot of thrusting a 3.5lbs staff, leg raises etc

Hunter,
This is the first I've heard of thrusting with a 3.5lb staff. Where did you get the staff and what is it made of?

HL1978 08-30-2007 09:37 AM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 188151)
Hunter,
This is the first I've heard of thrusting with a 3.5lb staff. Where did you get the staff and what is it made of?

mine is made of hickory, I think, and I ordered it out of a martial arts catalog 10 years ago. I believe it was century's martial arts catalog, but they don't seem to have anything comparable anymore.

I ordered a couple here for friends which are ~3lbs for a 6 footer and ~4 for an 8 footer. they come unvarnished, though i guess you could shellac them and add a little bit of weight.

http://www.woodenswords.com/AMA/staves_ama.htm

Upyu 08-30-2007 09:39 AM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 188151)
Hunter,
This is the first I've heard of thrusting with a 3.5lb staff. Where did you get the staff and what is it made of?

Doesnt matter where you get the staff, if its about as long as you are tall and is made of solid wood (no waxwood) then its sufficient for spear thrusting.
Working out with simple polearm type weapons help to "correct" the body if you know how to work it.
Spear thrusting is one way to approach it ;)

So, why thrust a spear to train the body?
Cuz you can't use "strength" to thrust it.
The mechanics of "spearing" someone are fundamentally different from "sport" movement that you might find in modern day boxing.
It requires a complete understanding of how to shift weight (Shioda Gozo's favorite "taijuuidou"), how to open and close the pelvic girdle(kua area for CMA fetishes), and how the tanden/koshi passes force to the tip of the spear etc etc

Franco 08-30-2007 12:10 PM

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Robert John wrote: (Post 188155)
...how to shift weight (Shioda Gozo's favorite "taijuuidou"), how to open and close the pelvic girdle(kua area for CMA fetishes), and how the tanden/koshi passes force to the tip of the spear etc etc

And you guys are gonna show us this stuff in Seattle, right? ;)

Josh Reyer 08-30-2007 12:14 PM

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Rob,

Do you know anything about Hozoin-ryu spear? Do you know if they "have it" or not?

Al Gutierrez 08-30-2007 02:14 PM

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I'm very interested in the solo spear-work idea. Would someone be so kind as to post a video and some more detailed description how to properly thrust with a spear in the manner mentioned?

For example, his thrusting with a spear any different than thrusting with jo as is normally done in Iwama style?

Thanks, A.G.

David Orange 08-30-2007 02:49 PM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 188102)
This one[/url] looks like it would be beneficial to developing the "budo body."

Looks pretty good.

So where did he get that speedbag he's using?

I wouldn't want to unhook my speedbag everytime I wanted to do that exercise.

Also, his looks like he pumped it up to high pressure. And it has a handle on it.....

HL1978 08-30-2007 02:50 PM

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David Orange wrote: (Post 188212)
Looks pretty good.

So where did he get that speedbag he's using?

I wouldn't want to unhook my speedbag everytime I wanted to do that exercise.

Also, his looks like he pumped it up to high pressure. And it has a handle on it.....

I think that might be a kettlebell. Pavel Tsatsouline does a bunch of workouts with them.

David Orange 08-30-2007 02:53 PM

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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 188144)

I do a lot of that type of thing, myself. I think that's one reason that Morihei Ueshiba put so much emphasis on "cultivating the land" at various points in his life.

The problem with that is that the actual work is more important than the body development and it doesn't affect the whole body equally. Anyone working like that tends to work much more on one side of the body than the other and that has a negative aspect. People who work hard become very strong in their youth, but they tend to break down with age because of the negative aspects, when the work being done is more important than the development of the body.

In my opinion.

David

David Orange 08-30-2007 02:56 PM

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Hunter Lonsberry wrote: (Post 188213)
I think that might be a kettlebell. Pavel Tsatsouline does a bunch of workouts with them.

Ooohhhh!!!

Joke, actually.

I haven't worked with kettle bells, but I've seen some clips of people using them.

David

statisticool 08-30-2007 04:09 PM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 188102)
Please post examples/descriptions/videos of what you consider to be effective solo, budo training workouts.

I'd recommend getting an Ivanko gripper and training with it.

eyrie 08-30-2007 07:09 PM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 188151)
This is the first I've heard of thrusting with a 3.5lb staff. Where did you get the staff and what is it made of?

Er... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYlFO...elated&search=

5:07 onwards...

gdandscompserv 08-30-2007 07:14 PM

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Ignatius Teo wrote: (Post 188244)

It was the "3.5lb" that threw me.

Lee Salzman 08-30-2007 07:20 PM

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As far as videos of practice go, this one is one of my absolute favorites: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZBR51Tewg

Dunno if it is budo, but it is martial and it is beautiful.

gdandscompserv 08-30-2007 07:45 PM

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Lee Salzman wrote: (Post 188246)
As far as videos of practice go, this one is one of my absolute favorites: http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZBR51Tewg

Dunno if it is budo, but it is martial and it is beautiful.

Yes very cool.:cool:
Thanks.

Upyu 08-30-2007 09:21 PM

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Franco: Of course :)
Ark's pretty big on using 6shaku staves to train the body. You think you're doing a particular exercise right, then you stick the staff to the body and you enter a whole new realm of pain, lol.

Al: I'll see if I can't post an example at some point, but again, its not something that you can really learn from a video, as simple as it might look.

Josh:
Yea I'm pretty sure they had it. They were especially focused on the store/release skills. That being said, I think it might be a moot point since its kind of doubtful anyone skillful in Hozoin still exists (even if there is someone that claims to teach Hozoin style spear)

Al Gutierrez 09-01-2007 12:12 AM

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Thanks Rob, I look forward to whatever you can post. I'm not looking to learn "how to" from video, only to compare various methods. Believe me I know you can't really learn the internal stuff only by looking at external forms. I've had hands on training with various people, and while I'd never claim to have mastered much, they managed to teach myself a little, and some others even more, and that says something about their methods (to me anyway). Once you have some internal ability I think you can see some things by observation that others don't see. Kuroda sensei talks about "invisible movements" for instance. One of my own instructors talked about this aspect of kobujutsu a lot.

I think Takada-ha Hozoin-ryu is still being practiced, and from what I saw on tape - somewhat vigorously too.

Sincerely,

A.G.

DonMagee 09-04-2007 02:15 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cNvpIamQOE

gdandscompserv 09-04-2007 08:08 PM

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Don Magee wrote: (Post 188656)

Nice Don, thanks!:D


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