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villrg0a 08-12-2007 05:23 AM

New breed of Aikido
 
They are known as the the Philippine Martial Arts Combat AIKIDO (PHIMACA).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR_ENzRbOs

Tony Wagstaffe 08-12-2007 08:03 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

Romuel Villareal wrote: (Post 186076)
They are known as the the Philippine Martial Arts Combat AIKIDO (PHIMACA).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR_ENzRbOs

Don't think so...... Pretty uniforms though.... hee hee!

Too many people using the word "aikido" these days to add some sort of credibility to what they are doing..... why don't they just call it Phillippine Self Defence and leave out the "Aikido"
Tony

George S. Ledyard 08-12-2007 08:23 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
This has absolutely nothing to do with Aikido.

RoyK 08-12-2007 09:09 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Maybe the connection is the idea of a non-resistive uke? But here he's not only non resistive, he's also non flowing, he just ceases to move after the initial strike, like he ran out of batteries.

At any rate, I wouldn't call this form of training "combat". The first particle "com" or "con" implies an interaction, and this is a one sided practice.

Roman Kremianski 08-12-2007 09:28 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
I like that robot uke.

"Play dead! Roll over! Ok now hold still for a second while I finish this technique...almost there...ok now play dead again!!"

Ketsan 08-12-2007 10:09 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

Roy Klein wrote: (Post 186087)
Maybe the connection is the idea of a non-resistive uke? But here he's not only non resistive, he's also non flowing, he just ceases to move after the initial strike, like he ran out of batteries.

At any rate, I wouldn't call this form of training "combat". The first particle "com" or "con" implies an interaction, and this is a one sided practice.

Or maybe the connection is that uke is held motionless though some kind of ki manipulation. :D

jennifer paige smith 08-12-2007 10:51 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

George S. Ledyard wrote: (Post 186084)
This has absolutely nothing to do with Aikido.



I hear chain saws grinding, see trees falling, and hear nature weezing.

CitoMaramba 08-12-2007 11:53 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
And to think they could have learned a more realistic way of attacking with a knife from any number of Filipino Martial Arts Systems.. what a waste.. <sigh>..

Mark Uttech 08-12-2007 01:30 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

George S. Ledyard wrote: (Post 186084)
This has absolutely nothing to do with Aikido.

I absolutely agree with George here. There is nothing new under the sun.

In gassho,

Mark

crbateman 08-12-2007 03:36 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Saying it's Aikido doesn't make it Aikido...

SeiserL 08-12-2007 04:19 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
IMHO, I see neither Aikido or traditional FMA.
Not a new breed.

Gene McGloin 08-12-2007 05:15 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

Romuel Villareal wrote: (Post 186076)
They are known as the the Philippine Martial Arts Combat AIKIDO (PHIMACA).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR_ENzRbOs

Oh, I thought the "aiki" part was the ability to initiate an attack with a nod of the head. Why not drop "Aikido" and use a Tagalog word instead?

kironin 08-12-2007 06:20 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

Mark Uttech wrote: (Post 186102)
I absolutely agree with George here. There is nothing new under the sun.

In gassho,

Mark

Ditto.

raul rodrigo 08-12-2007 07:51 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Its the kind of thing that give Filipino aikidoka a bad name.

jennifer paige smith 08-12-2007 08:02 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Quote:

Raul Rodrigo wrote: (Post 186130)
Its the kind of thing that give Filipino aikidoka a bad name.

Now, I wouldn't go that far. Bad aikido gives aikido a bad name. This is something that is different. I'm not sure exactly what it is and how the club became inclined to describe it as Aikido. But I don't think we need to worry about aikido getting a bad name. But let's practice in deep earnest ourselves this week, just to be sure.

I'm very interested in how these guys came into 'being'. And what attracts them to aikido that they would choose this name. Also, I wonder, if they were xposed to some early off shoot aikido group that isn't the o'sensei brand, if you will. Lots of intrigue. Hmmmm.

raul rodrigo 08-12-2007 08:10 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
As it happens, Jennifer, I am Filipino and I do know how Combat Aikido came into being. In my country, when we say we are aikidoka, we often hasten to say "traditional, not Combat." The combat version is far better known and publicized in this country than the Aikikai. So I want to keep a clear distance between myself and this kind of thing. Cito Maramba, who is on this forum, would know what I am talking about.

R

aikidoc 08-12-2007 08:25 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Looks more like karate two steps. I'm not sure what is aiki about what they are doing. I agree with George- not aikido. Call it something else. Looks like some muay thai with the knee and elbow strikes.

villrg0a 08-12-2007 11:59 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Hi Raul,

These guys dont have Gavileno's blood in their veins.

How this group came about? Please check their site www.phimaca.org

Should have titled this thread "Is this Aikido"

bob_stra 08-13-2007 03:59 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Combat aikido you say?

Has someone posted this here already?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XVbS0xHCerw

aikidoc 08-13-2007 04:16 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Still waiting for some aikido to be demonstrated. Saw some jujutsu and judo and karate so far.

Luc X Saroufim 08-13-2007 04:46 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
some of the strikes and avoidance look familiar, but they would look familiar in other arts as well. not really unique to Aikido.

gregg block 08-13-2007 04:48 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Looks a lot like some things I learned in my early years in Tae-Kwon-Do and Karate. Certainly not Aikido. Hey do you think it works if Nage doesn't nodd his head to let Uke know its ok to attach?

Jess McDonald 08-13-2007 09:43 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
yo! Seems like everyone is pretty much thinking the same in regards to the video. It wouldn't be so bad if they just had continuous/uninterrupted aiki-blending...I guess:confused: . Anyhoo, glad it ain't my school! Late!!

aikido_diver 08-13-2007 09:58 PM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
Absolute piece of rubbish!

Hate to say it! Sorry if I offend!

Rupert Atkinson 08-14-2007 05:24 AM

Re: New breed of Aikido
 
It is a lot like a style of Jujutsu I learned in the UK. It is also, a lot more like Hapkido. Not all Hapkido looks like this, but I have seen a lot that does. At a guess, they are probably doing Hapkido - the uniforms look Korean too. As Philippinos, I am sure they are aware of Arnis/Escrima and would be under no illusions. What they are doing is demo style kata techniques, that's all. They train in a similar way in Korea and while it may not look alive or real, the people doing it are about as tough as tough as tough can be - a Karate approach to Jujutsu, if you like. In that sense, they are probably more martial than the average aikidoka, in my opinion. Of course, it has nothng to do with Aikido at all - and who said it did?


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