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TongBui 11-09-2006 04:20 PM

Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
If Yoga is done right, you will be relax and feel more spiritual.
I heard an instructor saying that while a combat art, aikido has the same benefits.

Anyone supports this view?

Ketsan 11-09-2006 04:37 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
Quote:

Tong Bui wrote:
If Yoga is done right, you will be relax and feel more spiritual.
I heard an instructor saying that while a combat art, aikido has the same benefits.

Anyone supports this view?

I think it's about the person doing the activity and not the activity itself.

Qatana 11-09-2006 06:03 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
Well I do both yoga and aikido and while relaxation generally occurs after strenuous physical activity, the actual experiences and physical benefits are entirely different ;and while I have gotten great spiritual benefit from aikido, yoga gives me the ability to do splits and kick over my head at 50 and that makes me feel pretty good,too.

Tim Fong 11-09-2006 06:43 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
Didn't Tohei do some yoga with Nakamura Tempu?

Laurel Seacord 11-09-2006 07:28 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
The St. Louis Ki Society has a nice write up about "Japanese Yoga", Tohei-sensei and Nakamura Tempu.
http://www.stlki.org/about.shtml

kironin 11-09-2006 09:41 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
Yes, Tempu Nakamura is supposedly called the father of Japanese Yoga. Tempukai is where Koichi Tohei and a number of other Japanese aikido teachers trained in the 1950's. Nakamura Sensei was about 10 years older than Ueshiba Sensei. I got the impression from reading some where that they were on good terms.

Tempu Nakamura called what he did Shin Shin Toitsu Do which
means "mind and body coordinated/unified way" and conveys much the same meaning as Yoga which is the Hindi word derived from Sanskrit yoga-s, literally "union, yoking", referring to the union of the mind, body and spirit.

So we practice in the Ki Society,

Shin Shin Toitsu Do
and
Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido

and there is a great deal of emphasis not surprisingly on correct relaxation.
:cool: :ki:

grondahl 11-10-2006 12:45 AM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
In my limited experience: the feeling in your mind and body after keiko also differs depending on what kind of aikido and training you have been doing.

After a intensive class withs both "static" and flowing taijutsu I usually feel physically tired but always in a very positive mental state.

After a intensive hour of bukiwaza (suburi, awase-exercises, kumitachi/jo) Im mentaly drained.

After a hour of only soft flowing ki no nagare practice I usally find myself in a very pleasant and energetic mode both physically and mentaly.

billybob 11-10-2006 07:01 AM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
Jo Adell - "ability to do splits and kick over my head at 50"
good for you!!

I'm recovering from devastating injury of 25 years ago. I've done yoga, tai chi chuan, chi kung (this the most diligently) aikido, physical therapy - ad nauseum. One of my Senseis who is younger, criticized my training (sharply), and said that solo training alone would not give me all I needed. We had words.

Next class he taught was about connection for uke - even during the most rigorous movement - ikyo for me, as both my shoulders have come out of joint. The most difficult and painful exercise was staying connected during very very fast but smooth ikyo and bouncing back up to continue pushing into nage's center. I yelled from the pain, trembled, experienced rapid breathing, and generally hurt like Hell during this exercise, but began using muscle groups I've had locked down since my injury.

Next class I was throwing koshi nage off my right side - the side that has collapsed under load for all those years.

Thank you Sensei!

David

MikeLogan 11-10-2006 02:28 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
On a different tack I could agree with you, TongBui. A friend of mine, while riding with me as I wove through traffic along the D.C. Beltway told me that the experience was exciting, yet calming. Keeping at a clip of roughly 70, it helped that I drove 100 meters ahead of myself. That, except perhaps the added speed, is a good way to drive because it allows for better anticipation of driving conditions, instead of reacting to every brake light you see.

Translated into Aikido, when I have the right feel for timing, my balance, their balance, momentum, and awareness of the nearest & ready uke, randori can be both calming and exhilirating.

michael.

saulofong 11-30-2006 04:13 AM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
I perceive Aikido, Yoga and Tai Chi Chuan as what I call integrative arts. The main purpose, as I see, is to integrate body, mind and energy, bringing more presence. The main difference in Aikido is that it has another element which is the relationship with the outside world (partner). I use sometimes some concepts of Yoga and Tai Chi in the Aikido training. In the essence, I believe they are the same. Different manifestations of the same purpose.

graham 11-30-2006 06:27 AM

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Nicely put, Saulo.

statisticool 12-11-2006 08:39 PM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
I've heard that one can't be aware of their environment unless they are relaxed; relaxation is a prerequisite for awareness.

saulofong 12-21-2006 04:16 AM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
There is a simple test you anyone can make.

Tense the muscles of your arm, for example, and ask someone to touch your arm. Then, relax your arm and ask someone to touch the same spot. Any difference in perception ?

Would it be possible to be aware of the environment if you are not aware of your own body ?

mwible 01-16-2007 07:40 AM

Re: Relaxing Aiki vs Yoga.
 
i agree but you are wrong in thinking aikido a combat art (in my eyes) i believe aikido to be a way to neutralize agresion not meet it head on or back up a provocation, it is a way of peace not a way of combat. ;)


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