Aiki, Iki, Kokyu, Heng-Ha and Aun, Part 2 - Breathing deeper...
New post on the Aikido Sangenkai Blog: Aiki, Iki, Kokyu, Heng-Ha and Aun, Part 2 - Breathing deeper...
http://www.aikidosangenkai.org/blog/...and-aun-part-2 Enjoy! Best, Chris |
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Interesting stuff, thanks Chris
If you dont mind me asking, why haven't these translations been done earlier than now... are they newly discovered documents etc? Regards Chris |
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another winner.
Interesting to note that in his earliest books, Tohei included reverse breathing in his breathing methods, but dropped reverse breathing in reprints and in his later books. There seems to be a stigma around reverse breathing as a health concern, so I wonder if that's why or if he simply felt it wasn't important. |
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Hi Chris,
Great article, though I have one quibble with it. In Chinese cosmology, the hun and po are, although a pair in one sense, also part of a larger group of five souls that include the zhi (will), shen (spirit), and yi (intent). Being a group of five, they are correlated to the five elements and in Chinese medicine with the five important yin organs - earth - Spleen/Pancreas - Yi (intent) metal - Lungs - Po water - Kidneys - Zhi (will) wood - Liver - Hun fire - Heart - Shen (spirit) The point being that if you are going to go back into Chinese cosmology, it is somewhat problemmatic to translate hun as "intent", as there is another very similar term used for that idea. Yi is also the term used in all Chinese arts that talk about intent, such as I Liq Chuan, Xing Yi, Xin Yi, Yi Quan, etc. Hun and po are, to my knowledge, not used as technical terms in Chinese martial arts nearly as much as yi and shen. To add some further info, one way that the hun and po are described is that the hun is the soul that leaves the body at night when you dream, and the po is the soul that is responsible for our ability to, in a sense, "be in our body" and really experience the physical world, especially through our sense of touch. This aspect of the po is connected to its association with the lungs, as the lungs are, in Chinese medicine, connected to the health of the skin, since the lungs are the one internal organ that is in contact with the outside world directly and can be considered to be an extension of the skin. The po is also the soul that can remain and become a ghost after death and cause trouble; this may be related to the presence of the character for "white" in the character for po, as the white may be a reference to the color of dried bones, which are the part of the body that remain the longest after death. Josh |
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@Jason:Or maybe those teaching where unaware/unfamiliar with what RB is supposed to accomplish. Anyway, another mighty fine read Chris. The belly thing was very interesting to see. Never noticed that "connection" ;D before.
@The other Chris: mostly because those translators wheren't educated in the traditions Chris is trying to point out. Also, it takes some aquintance/initiation with said tradition/method/system to connect Ueshiba's pointers to the actual physical process he is referring to. Which is why you'll find so little descriptions online of "how to's." |
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Chris, you should write a book ;)
No really.. |
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"Finally, compare the above statement to this one by Morihei Ueshiba:
そこで合気道は形はない。形はなく、すべて魂の学びである。すべて形にとらわれてはいけない。それは微妙な働きが出来なくなるからである。 There are no Forms in Aikido. No Forms, the study of intent is everything. You must not let everything be subsumed by Form. This is because you will become unable to move with subtlety." Unfortunately, it appears not too many paid attention to the above - to most, form is the only thing. greg |
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The same character for "intent" exists in Japanese - but Ueshiba didn't use it much, although he clearly talks about intent in many places. Maybe that would have been too easy to understand... ;) Best, Chris |
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IMO, there's an element missing in most existing translations because the translators didn't have the background to evaluate certain parts of what the Founder was talking about. Best, Chris |
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Very cool! Thank you, Chris!
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Hi Chris,
So, looking at the O-sensei picture . . . He seems to have a double edged "Kusunagi" - like sword, which makes me think that the disk over his heart/chest may be "Yata no kagami," which (if intended) begs the question . . . "Where is the Yasakani no Magatama?" And, if these symbols are indeed represented, what significance did those symbols have for O-sensei? (Keeping in mind that O-sensei was a lover of multiple layers of symbolic meaning, and he liked hanging out with other lovers of multi-layers of symbolic meaning (i.e. Shingon, O-Moto, etc.), most of whom delighted in the holographic interplay between micro and macro.) Oh, and while I'm being inquisitive, do we know what plant is depicted behind O-sensei? Does that have meaning significant to him? Lunch is over. As always, enjoying the blogs! Allen |
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PS The plant ... looks like camellia. |
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Is the usage of hun as being equivalent to yi/intent common in Japan? I've never come across that before. Though I haven't looked very hard. Josh |
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As you've probably already figured, Ueshiba loved rich imagery, encoded text, and multiple layers of meaning in a single phrase. He'd also phrase the same concepts in various different fashions in an attempt, I suppose to get what he was talking about across (it's like this - or maybe it's more like this...). Best, Chris |
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For Alan - there's some interesting stuff about symbolism inherent in the Kusanagi that Ueshiba used - but that's a work in progress. For anybody who's confused, we're talking about this. Ain't esoterica fun? :D Best, Chris |
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Looking forward to the Kusanagi stuff! Esoterica is all such a mystery to me! :) Allen |
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I vote for Howard and Joe. :D Best, Chris |
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I was thinking the same thing but can't recall which book that is. I think one of Stevens'. Anyone?
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Best, Chris |
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Take two 'standard' jewels and place them together and, viola, round in a blend of in yo (yin-yang aka 'diagram of ultimate power'). Six of them suckers in complimentary pairs in three orthogonal planes gives a sphere ... sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. |
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Still, it's just my speculation, since I haven't seen mention of it elsewhere (that doesn't mean that it hasn't been mentioned somewhere, just that I haven't seen it or don't remember). Best, Chris |
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I have a cultural question. Following your blog I went looking at Heng Ha breathing and I found that a description of generals Heng and Ha
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I understand Heng usually but not always refers to inhalation in Taiji which would be different from the cultural understanding above.. So I was wondering if in Japan the common cultural understanding, not the martial artists' version, is whether the Un/Heng figure is inhaling or spitting. Just wondering if the imagery has changed when it moved countries or whether this association of Un/heng with inhalation is purely a martial artists conception. |
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