aikido and samurie
is aikido teaching you the way of the samurie? or how to be a samurie?
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only if saying yes will make you sign up for lessons :)
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Yep. If you think of dojo as families, houses as clans, then I suppose the politics does kinda mirror the nanbokuchō-jidai.
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Marc, that's nothing -- my dojo will give you a cool samurie uniform, AND teach you the secret samurie handshake.
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Nice summaries!
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No Tom it does not make you a Samurai...... They don't exist anymore.... but the concept does in Japanese Tradition and Etiquette and Business ethics (I think, but could be wrong there) And in some deluded peoples minds....... Take Care Tony |
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Thank you for that.... Well Tom should....... Tony |
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Thomas Cleary's "Training the Samurai mind" is a good book to read if you're interested in how much Confucianism influenced the Samurai. |
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As you say, we preserve some of the etiquette, surely along with etiquette comes a system of thought? And since a lot of this etiquette was perculiar to the Samurai class I think it follows that maybe just a little bit of the Samurai mindset was passed on with it. We probably wouldn't even noticed if it had though because to us it'd just seem normal. :D |
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I see from your profile that you practise archery. Is this Japanese archery, or the sort that the British do in tournaments? If you practise Japanese archery, then I suggest that you look at the life of Eugen Herrigel and his teacher Awa Kenzo. Japanese archery has a much stronger claim to represent the ethos of the samurai (note the accepted English spelling) than modern aikido. You do not say whether you are interested in actually practising aikido, just whether aikido teaches the way of the samurai. Perhaps it might be best to read a few good books on the samurai (books by Stephen Turnbull are generally good) and then go to an aikido dojo and make up your own mind. Best wishes, |
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One could say that the "Samurai" of today are the armed forces of modern nations to some extent..... depends on how one looks at it?
I believe the word Samurai means "to serve" Peter Goldsbury would/could probably enlighten us on that one.... how about it Peter? Tony |
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In my experience, few Japanese (by which I mean none that I have met) associate themselves with the idea of the samurai, even if they know for sure that they have samurai in their family tree. Most folks figure their ancestors were merchants or craftsmen or farmers. While we may see Japanese businessmen as "modern day samurai, doing battle and committing seppuku for the good of their company", IMO most Japanese businessmen think of themselves as "regular folk working for the benefit of the village." |
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I'd also suggest a classic: Budoshoshinshu: The Warrior's Primer of Daidoji Yuzan
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I'd take a risk and say that most budo etiquette was influenced in general by Zen teachings (popularized by the bushi caste) and particularly the Ogasawara Ryu, which taught bujutsu and tea ceremony, among other things. Seiza and therefore zarei were heavily influenced by this school.
Don't forget the Edo-period training for a bushi to be constantly alert (probably an imagined need rather than a real one) which also manifests itself in reiho (which hand do you put out first in zarei?) Finally, the samurai were the only caste with enough free time to come up with complex mannerisms. So, in a sense, much of aikido etiquette stems from samurai etiquette. |
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thank you all sorry for the late reply been on holiday for a few days :) . i was only asking because you use bokkens which to me look like woodan katanas (samurie swords) so if not the samurie were does the origin of aikido come from ?
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So, you want to know the origin of Aikido. Technically it largely comes from Daito Ryu, where Daito Ryu comes from is a hotly debated subject. Potentially it goes back to Minamoto Yoshimitsu in the 1080s, alternatively it goes back to Takeda Sokaku from the late 19th century, or maybe some where in between. I'll leave the philosophical origins of Aikido to someone that has a clue. :D |
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If you mean by samurai (long gone) Budo, no not really. There are parts of budo I think in Aikido and you and turn that up, but overall no. I think what is left of the samurai is long gone and like a photograph snap shot caught in books for us to look at. Aikido teaches peace through the mental discipline developed and practiced, modeled in Aikido, by the samurai. How much to you get into that discipline and what you get out of it is up to you. People aren't forced or subjected, it is choice how deeply you want to follow Aikido in this way.
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