Yoshinkan practitioners aggressive in discussion?
Ivan raises a good question in another thread...
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I'm wondering how y'all know who is and isn't a Yoshinkan practitioner. Do they all have some kind of flaming YOSHINKAN .sig in their posts that I've been missing? Or do you need the special I-can-see-the-chip-on-your-shoulder-AND-your-XYY-chromosome glasses to see it?
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IMO, it's because Yoshinkan practitioners are MARTIAL artists, and we (annoyingly, it seems) insist that Aikido is a MARTIAL art. Aikido does not require us to be passive. Hopefully, AikiWeb is the same way.
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There's a big difference between "kill them with friendship or forgiveness" and "kill them, but with friendship or forgiveness."
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Bill you've got the FNG thing bad my friend. You need to get that looked at by a professional.
I love your passion. Believe me I've been there. Just remember that nobody here agrees on anything, but a lack of validation does not actually damage your position or your practice. |
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Not sure what the "FNG thing" is, but if I have it bad I probably enjoy it. If everyone agreed with me there would be no discussion, which is all I'm after. Shame on me if I have to get my validation on the internet.
Just the same, this "Yoshi Orcs are mean" thread exists because the truth I'm telling is disturbing people it applies to. Don't hate the messenger. |
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But ... he's just the messenger, and subject to all traditional rights thereto. I, for one, think a John the Baptist style welcome is in order.
That said, the original John the Baptist still managed to kick off the nearly world-ending multi-millenium catastrophe that is christendom, so maybe Bill is on to something with Yoshinkan? Note that I am just being silly here. Bill is actually a lot better guy than anyone from the origins of christianity, so we should not in any way remove his head. |
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Bill, is that an accurate representation of your style's take on these issues? Or your sensei's? Or just your opinion from your experiences?
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Hey, my waza works, and I have proven it on a couple of occasions. So I am not vulnerable to words. I feel strongly enough about my views that I am perfectly willing to stand in the fire and defend them, and I believe martial effectiveness is a positive and beneficial topic. But if anyone else wants to resort to personal attacks I prefer they do it in person.
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Other styles don't... Speak for anyone else? Have experience? Use Ude Garami?
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So you managed to use a couple of techniques on some guys?Maybe rather than good waza , you just got lucky or the opposition was poor?In my view no matter how good you think you are there is always someone bigger , stronger , meaner and faster than oneself.rather than use brawn ,I prefer using my brain.Rather than get to a point where fisticuffs are resorted to , get the hell out of the situation beforehand.Prancing around in exotic Japanese outfits,doing ude garami or some strangles for example does not mean you/any body else, will not take second prize should you encounter a guy who is equipped with more ammo than you.Let common sense prevail,not force.Cheers, Joe. Ps Just in case you think I am a wimpy sort of chap I have also used aikido in confrontations in the past.I much prefer being friendly rather than having a macho image. |
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Well... I've been at Aikikai schools almost esclusively. Depending on the dojo, the martial aspect gets more or less emphasis. The late Kawahara shihan wasn't a sweetness and light kinda guy, and tolerated flowery stuff very poorly. Izumi (Hiroaki) also deceased included in his classes how to use the knife, as well as how to take it away - how to not lose the pistol, as well as how to take it away - how to throw in such a way that uke is less likely to get back up soon, and how to throw in less harmful ways. What difference I noted between a Yoshinkan dojo and the Aikikai with which I was familiar was the more regimented training at entry levels. However after nidan I couldn't tell the difference by looking at the movements.
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