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Millerwc 06-04-2007 08:08 AM

Bujin Hakamas
 
Hello all,

I am testing for the rank at which we're expected to begin wearing a hakama within the next month, and fortutiously my birthday is just a couple days after my test, so my parents have offered to get me a hakama. Most people have recommended Bujin designs, but I was wondering people's opinions about them, especially about their different aiki-koshita style hakamas, does anyone have any experience with them? Also, any other general advice about buying a hakama would be appreciated.

Thanks

Nafis Zahir 06-04-2007 08:31 AM

Re: Bujin Hakamas
 
Tozando.com - a little costly with S & H, but excellent quality.

Steven 06-04-2007 09:00 AM

Re: Bujin Hakamas
 
I have the traditional and aiki-style koshida. Personally I prefer the aiki-style, but that's just my preference. Both hakamas have held up very well. As for are sizing, I followed bujin's recommendatons and have had no issues.

ChrisMoses 06-04-2007 09:23 AM

Re: Bujin Hakamas
 
Quote:

Nafis Zahir wrote: (Post 180040)
Tozando.com - a little costly with S & H, but excellent quality.

I second Tozando. THE BEST hakama for Aikido training. Get their basic tetron hamaka and it will last you for years and years. The koshita is made with a flexible rubber insert, so while it looks traditional, it's comfortable and safe. Bujin makes good hakama too, but I find their hime (straps) too long for how I tie a hakama, and I just can't stand the look of the modern aiki koshita, but that's just me. A lot of folks love them.

ChrisMoses 06-04-2007 09:57 AM

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Ooh, lookie what's on sale... Clicky

Mike James 06-04-2007 10:04 AM

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I have two hakama from Bu Jin. Both are the medium blend material (cotton/polyester). I wear my first one for daily training and my newer one for seminars and special events (or when my daily one is being cleaned). My daily one has just started showing a bit of wear in the knees and straps after 2-1/2 years. Many of my dojo mates have them too and seem to like them. I haven't heard anyone say any negative things, and when students are about to promote to dan grade and ask where they should get a hakama, Bu Jin is recommend by the rest of the yudansha.

aikidoc 06-04-2007 02:04 PM

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I have worn Bujin hakamas for years. They are durable and fit nicely. I prefer the aiki-koshita-the regular seems to poke me or irritate my low back. Others prefer the regular-I find the aiki koshita more to my liking.

Ron Tisdale 06-04-2007 02:21 PM

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I've got one hakama, it's from Bujin, and I like it.

Quote:

Get their basic tetron hamaka and it will last you ...
Did you say Yamaka, Hamaka, or Hakama?? :D

Best,
Ron (Mazaltoff...)

ChrisMoses 06-04-2007 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Ron Tisdale wrote: (Post 180082)
Did you say Yamaka, Hamaka, or Hakama?? :D

Best,
Ron (Mazaltoff...)

hamanahamana... My keyboard-fu is weak today...:yuck:

Gerardo Torres 06-04-2007 03:16 PM

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I third Tozando hakama.

Their 100 % polyester hakama is the best hakama for aikido that I have ever tried, including various Bu Jin, Iwata, e-bogu, etc. Unlike those other brands, after two years wearing the Tozando it shows no signs of wear & tear whatsoever.

http://www.tozandoshop.com/product_p/sk_ah500.htm

Keith R Lee 06-04-2007 06:15 PM

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I *had* a Tozando hakama and it was the best I ever owned. Then I went and left in California or Oregon while at a seminar. :(

Sonja2012 06-05-2007 12:31 AM

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I have been wearing a bujin hakama (the heavy quality with aiki koshita) for about half a year now. It is quite costly to get them over to Europe due to import tax, but I would (and certainly will) do it again any time as I found that it was money very well invested. I loooove my hakama :-)

Plus, it seems to be self-folding ;-) No, seriously, all the other hakama I had before that were much more difficult to fold.

bkedelen 06-05-2007 01:18 AM

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I have had both and have worn bujin hakama every night for eight years. I do not understand the reason for going with anyone but bujin. Just because they offer the aiki koshita does not mean you have to get one and therefore has no bearing on the quality of their materials or their craftsmanship. They will repair your knees, stitch your pleats, and make your straps any length you desire. I am not just schilling here. There is really no reason to order a hakama from Japan.

Edward 06-05-2007 01:36 AM

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Another vote for Tozando.

Gerardo Torres 06-05-2007 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Keith Lee wrote: (Post 180091)
I *had* a Tozando hakama and it was the best I ever owned. Then I went and left in California or Oregon while at a seminar. :(

That sucks. I also lost a good hakama during a seminar. I am not a fan of embroidered names on training gear, but maybe it's not such a bad idea - it would make such personal items more prone to being returned if lost. Tozando can embroider names in katakana (at about $2 - $4 per letter) on hakama, maybe I'll go for it on my next one:

http://www.tozandoshop.com/product_p/em11.htm
http://www.tozandoshop.com/product_p/em10.htm

gdandscompserv 06-05-2007 11:03 AM

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Quote:

Gerardo Torres wrote: (Post 180147)
That sucks. I also lost a good hakama during a seminar. I am not a fan of embroidered names on training gear, but maybe it's not such a bad idea - it would make such personal items more prone to being returned if lost. Tozando can embroider names in katakana (at about $2 - $4 per letter) on hakama, maybe I'll go for it on my next one:

http://www.tozandoshop.com/product_p/em11.htm
http://www.tozandoshop.com/product_p/em10.htm

But if you are afraid of losing it in America, why would you choose katakana instead of English?

Gerardo Torres 06-05-2007 11:24 AM

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Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 180149)
But if you are afraid of losing it in America, why would you choose katakana instead of English?

Because names in katakana look cool on hakama? :)
Like I said, I'm not a fan of embroidery, patches, etc., on gi or hakama. I would probably request just for my initials on the inside of the koshiita.

Lan Powers 06-05-2007 11:07 PM

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Funny how people vary in their likes/dis-likes so much.
Bu-Jin rocks....tetron sucks.

Unless, of course, you like Tetron and don't like the fine fitting, sleek hanging, self-folding (gotta get me one of those) beauties from Bujin.

To each his own...try both, it will be obvious to you in a bit which you like better (borrow from another student)
Best
Lan

Janet Rosen 06-05-2007 11:37 PM

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I love my tetron hak from mugendo budogju. It holds up well, the pleats never go away.
And thanks to my retained language ability and Qatana's embroidery, I was able to balance "my name in kanji" on the right hip with "my name in Yiddish" on the left hip. Talk about customization!

George S. Ledyard 06-05-2007 11:45 PM

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Quote:

Christian Moses wrote: (Post 180047)
and I just can't stand the look of the modern aiki koshita, but that's just me. A lot of folks love them.

That would be....me!

Nafis Zahir 06-06-2007 01:25 AM

Re: Bujin Hakamas
 
Quote:

Lan Powers wrote: (Post 180198)
Funny how people vary in their likes/dis-likes so much.
Bu-Jin rocks....tetron sucks.

Unless, of course, you like Tetron and don't like the fine fitting, sleek hanging, self-folding (gotta get me one of those) beauties from Bujin.

To each his own...try both, it will be obvious to you in a bit which you like better (borrow from another student)
Best
Lan

I use to feel the same way, but Bujin does not use the same materials as they did before. I got a twill hakama and noticed that the material did not feel nor fold the same. I called and asked them about it and they told me that they are now using a different supplier. They had a good reason, but it's not the same hakama. Tozando is a better quality, and folding the hakama is not hard, once you've done it many time over.

Jeffrey A. Fong 06-07-2007 04:55 PM

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I agree with Nafis Zahir. I have two hakama and purchased another for a friend. The first two cotton were heavy and first quality. The second was a lighter material and just not the same. I sent it back and discussed this with Ginger Ikeda, but to no avail. They swore the material was the same, but... Trivial? Maybe, but disapointing.

mrfeldmeyer 06-07-2007 05:14 PM

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I am a fairly big guy, around 6'-1" and 215 lbs. I purchased an Iaido gi and hakama from Tozando. I found that the straps on the hakama where a few inches shorter than would be optimal. I can barely get an actual knot with the front straps. The gi for Iaido that they sell don't come in sizes above a 4 either, so I was guessing this is just because Tozando Iaido department doesn't market to bigger people.

I have bought aikido gis from Tozando and am very happy with them, so they obviously sell those in larger sizes. I am considering buying a new aikido hakama in the near future and was afraid of purchasing from Tozando due to the short straps issue. I have also looked at Bujin and Daimyo Outfitters. Although, I am straying away from Bujin after this thread a bit.

Does the short straps issue only exist on the Iaido hakama, or have people had this issue on the Aikido hakama as well? Any other places that people feel are worth purchasing a new hakama from?

Thanks,
Matt

Janet Rosen 06-07-2007 05:16 PM

Re: Bujin Hakamas
 
You might talk to Peter Boylan at http://www.budogu.com/ I"m sure he'd be happy to check the length on the ties of the haks he sells.

Peter Goldsbury 06-07-2007 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Matthew Feldmeyer wrote: (Post 180350)
I have bought aikido gis from Tozando and am very happy with them, so they obviously sell those in larger sizes. I am considering buying a new aikido hakama in the near future and was afraid of purchasing from Tozando due to the short straps issue. I have also looked at Bujin and Daimyo Outfitters. Although, I am straying away from Bujin after this thread a bit.

Does the short straps issue only exist on the Iaido hakama, or have people had this issue on the Aikido hakama as well? Any other places that people feel are worth purchasing a new hakama from?

Thanks,
Matt

Ever since I became a yudansha in 1978, I have used hakama made by Iwata. Before I came to Japan these were ordered by the dojo from Japan. The names were always correctly written on the back. When I bought my last hakama, I visited the shop in Okubo, Tokyo and met everyone. You can have your hakama built to order, so to speak, with the straps as long as you like (in my case both knots are in front, around the seika tanden, below the Fujita-style wrap-around obi).


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