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Gatekeeper 09-29-2000 07:24 PM

I have heard it's because of the seven pillars. But what are these seven pillars and where do they originate from. Currently, I train in a part time school in my college and we generally have many new people each year. This is nice but it also doesn't allow us much in the way of indepth training... This is my way of apologizing for being ignorant... Thanks for the help.

Gatekeeper

rch 09-29-2000 09:07 PM

So I've heard...
 
Benevolence
Justice
Manners
Wisdom
Faithfulness

The other two, I don't know. I'm not even sure about these 5. Just something I remember reading on a kendo site.



Greg Jennings 09-29-2000 09:18 PM

Quote:

Gatekeeper wrote:
I have heard it's because of the seven pillars. But what are these seven pillars and where do they originate from. Currently, I train in a part time school in my college and we generally have many new people each year. This is nice but it also doesn't allow us much in the way of indepth training... This is my way of apologizing for being ignorant... Thanks for the help.
Gatekeeper

Er, ah, I thought it was so it would lay flat.

Seriously, different people attach different meanings. I'm pretty sure that the pleats came first and later someone attached some meaning to them.

Pick seven virtues that mean something to you and think about them when you put on or put away your culottes, er, ah, hakama.

BTW, before you notice, the pleats on the Bujin hakama are reversed because Ikeda Sensei wanted it that way....

Cas Long 09-30-2000 10:40 AM

Of Interest?
 
Hi Guys,

Maybe this could be of interest? :

http://members.aol.com/naginata/pleats.html

Regards....



andrew 10-01-2000 09:02 AM

Quote:

Greg Jennings wrote:
BTW, before you notice, the pleats on the Bujin hakama are reversed because Ikeda Sensei wanted it that way....
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But isn't that because they're simply to sew that way?
andrew

Gatekeeper 10-01-2000 08:59 PM

Domo Arigato!
 
Thank you so much Cas that was exactly what I was looking for!



Cas Long 10-02-2000 05:06 AM

That's OK......
 
Gatekeeper,

No problem-glad to be of some help....


samadhi 09-07-2007 10:41 PM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
There are seven pleats (five in the front and two in the back) and that these represent the seven virtues of budo:

Jin: benevolence
Gi: honor or justice
Rei: courtesy and etiquette
Chi: wisdom, intellligence
Shin: sincerity
Chu: loyalty
Koh: piety

The five pleats in the front are the five virtues; gotoku, of Japanese traditional society, with the one in the back representing all five virtues are actually one major one, that of being a complete human being.

The five are:

Chuu: loyalty
Ko: justice
Jin: humanity; compassion
Gi: from giri; or honor
Rei: respect

From: http://members.aol.com/naginata/pleats.html

guest89893 09-08-2007 09:35 PM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
Hmm...
And here I thought the seven pleats were Sleepy,Dopey, Grumpy,Happy,Bashful,Sneezy,Doc
;) :D
Gene

dps 09-08-2007 10:48 PM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
Quote:

Gene Martinelli wrote: (Post 189126)
Hmm...
And here I thought the seven pleats were Sleepy,Dopey, Grumpy,Happy,Bashful,Sneezy,Doc
;) :D
Gene

No, those were the Seven Samurai.

David

guest89893 09-08-2007 11:01 PM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
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David Skaggs wrote: (Post 189129)
No, those were the Seven Samurai.

David

:D :D

Eric Webber 09-09-2007 12:07 PM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
Saotome Sensei has a chapter on hakama in his book, "The Principles of Aikido," gives some good info.

philippe willaume 09-10-2007 10:17 AM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
Quote:

Walter Abington wrote: (Post 189043)
There are seven pleats (five in the front and two in the back) and that these represent the seven virtues of budo:

Jin: benevolence
Gi: honor or justice
Rei: courtesy and etiquette
Chi: wisdom, intellligence
Shin: sincerity
Chu: loyalty
Koh: piety

The five pleats in the front are the five virtues; gotoku, of Japanese traditional society, with the one in the back representing all five virtues are actually one major one, that of being a complete human being.

The five are:

Chuu: loyalty
Ko: justice
Jin: humanity; compassion
Gi: from giri; or honor
Rei: respect

From: http://members.aol.com/naginata/pleats.html

Does this mean that we fart on Koh (piety) and Shin (sincerity) then ?
phil

Infantryman1990 09-17-2007 09:28 PM

Re: Why are there 7 pleats on the Hakama?
 
Quote:

Gene Martinelli wrote: (Post 189130)
:D :D

I thought the Seven Samurai was Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson... oh, wait. . . they were the warrior bugs in A Bug's Life. . . aw, same source material.

Kurosawa Lives!


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