kendo, Iaido and aikido
Im a kendoka thinking about taking aikido. So i have some question first of all will it help me at all either way. Two should i just focus on one disciplin or both. I also heard that you need to learn kendo for aikido so i was just wondering. Oh yeah one more question assuming i am taking it how long does it take to master the basics and really get into it? For example in kendo it will take two years for me to get bogu and actaully start sparring but in Iai i got into it pretty quickly. Also will i need a new gi and hakama or will i be able to use my kendogi?
Please excuse me if i am not coming across clearly or if i appear ignorant. i have no knowledge of aikido so i thought i would ask. |
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While many aikido dojos do some 'swordwork' none require kendo training. If you've learned the kendo no kata however, this will make picking up aiki-ken a relative breeze. For equipment, you'll most likely need to get a judo-gi, most places have people train without hakama until shodan. As for getting the basics and doing aikido, you will be able to participate in every aspect of aikido class much faster than you do in kendo. There isn't the same hanging out in the back of the room doing suburi like you see in kendo. In a couple months, you'll be in the thick of things with everyone else.
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Two years to get into bogu? That's a long time, even by conservative standards.
Anyway, as a kendo person, there's a very good chance that, while you'll probably find the aikiken--whatever flavor you're doing--waza interesting, you'll be frustrated with their practitioners. Aikido "swordwork" tends not to be. It tends to be an exercise using a prop for developing certain traits that are useful in taijutsu. From a kendo perspective, a lot of aikido sword work is slow, over-powered, and full of openings. You'll have to resist the urge to lop off your partner's hands or to just tsuki them as they step forward. Of course, when it comes time to be uke for tachi dori, you can have a lot of fun. ;) Aikido people who have sword training outside aikido tend to have less of these problems, and there are some lines of aikido weapons that are a lot better with regard to the above than others, so you may find yourself pleasantly surprised. But then you might not. |
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tachi dori? can someone please explain what that means??
But still im glad to hear that ill have at least some of an advantage. also another question how bad is being thrown on your back and head both me and my parents are kinda worried about that. |
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Hi Avi,
I practice aikido, kendo and iaido and find them all very complimentary (though I don't have as much time as I would like to do all these things). Aikido swordwork as has been said is quite different from kendo and should best be viewed as a method for learning body movement. Not sure why it took you so long to get some bogu. My teacher is Japanese and had me wearing bogu after only a few months. It's very common for people to practice both Aikido and Iaido or Kendo and Iaido. Aikido and Kendo seems to be a little less common. I think it's probably because aikido people aren't interested in 'competition' or 'fighting' on the whole and kendo people are less interested in aikido because they want to learn sword work more than anything else. FWIW I find that the most rewarding and informative combination for me has been aikido and kendo, and I'm glad there was no iaido dojo here when I went looking for one (which is how I ended up in kendo). Regards Mike |
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ok and what is the meaning of tachi dori?
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Tachidori is "sword taking"
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I do kendo and aikido too.
You'll probably feel awkward as hell at first but there will be lots of nice *clicks* in the brain when you see the same principals applied across the two. BTW you don't wear hakama to begin with at aikido, get a judo or aikidogi as suggested as the kendogi will not last! I wish you luck Peace and love Jo |
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AikiWiki description of TachiDori at http://www.aikiweb.com/wiki/Tachidori.:
The practice of taking away an attacker's bokken/bokuto while empty-handed. |
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The other thing is. How many times at kendo or iaido have you had someone grab your keikogi and pull you around like that. The himo just don't last that sort of punishment, they tend to get ripped off. In aikido people will be holding onto you and tugging the keikogi a lot and kendogi are just not made to absorb that sort of punishment. Regards Mike |
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Well, I did Kendo for a few months and did find it full of illogical moves as well. First the stance is directed forward with the back foot positioned at an awkward angle which makes it very difficult to face several opponents. Second, they attack like crazy and in a very violent and aggressive way. Third, after they strike (hit or miss) they keep on trotting like a horse for a few meters which I found kind of strange.
Just trying to make a point here. Do not look at a martial art with the eyes of another. Each has its own perspective. As for me I quickly lost interest in Kendo as I found out it wouldn't be possible to study kata until a later stage (my main reason for joining in the first place), every body seemed very centered on competitions so I just quit. Quote:
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Do people grab your kendogi, twist it, try to throw you with it, etc.?
There was this REALLY big guy in one of the dojo I trained at...he must have been about 240, and really stable. Anywho...I went to do iriminage (poorly, I might add) off of a lunge punch. Well, I ended up doing iriminage to his dogi jacket...but not much else! Ripped it right off his body. But he was still standing there, wondering why it had gotten cool all of a sudden. Best, Ron ;) |
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You guys should make a sticky for beginners with info like this. It's nice to be able to know something prior to entering the dojo and having that awkward phase were the sensei has to explain every little detail. |
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Welcome, Avi. I guess that's the point of Aikiweb, to provide a bit of info not otherwise as readily provided just prior to entering the dojo of a an art new to oneself. I hope you find a great deal of information during your investigation of aikido, whether it's for a year or ten.
My primary reason for replying is that I'd love to get into kendo. Circumstances deter my involvement in aikido to a level I very much regret, and I find myself wondering whether this might be an opportunity to see what kendo might offer for myself. Does Aikiweb have a counterpart web community in the kendo world? It seems to me that the closest game in town(vineland, south NJ), is in Philadelphia. I suppose I'd take my own advice in the past, and look at the threads listed at the bottom of the screen to view related threads. good luck, michael. |
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Try if you can to get a Japanese kendoka sensei and also don't take kumdo(korean kendo) there is a huge difference. ALSO 1 very important thing make sure you want to take KENDO and not IAIDO the two are very different. IAIDO or Battojutsu is the art of drawing the sword and then using it. It is entirely kata's and not actual sparring wereas kendo has 10 kata's but they are for teaching the basics of kendo. I take setei Kendo IAI and muso shinden Ryu and kendo at the same time since my dojo teaches both kendo and Iaido. Quote:
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Jun - how about a new poll?
Aikidokas who practice a second or third martial art and what art it is? I started looking through the poll history from the bottom up and couldn't get past 2002 without my eyes blurring. I apologize if this was done before. Avi, does your Kendo practice inlcude ZKNR? |
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A year ago I would have said do both.
Now I'm not so certain. It may be prudent to, instead of taking up a second art, invest more time into the one you're already studying. If you've got lots of time on your hands to train, go ahead and take Aikido too. But if you're strapped for time and serious about development in kendo, you should focus on that. You can always take up Aikido later. you have the rest of your life to explore new arts. Aikido will come easier if you already have a firm grounding in sword art. |
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