How do Akikai Aikido students learn about KI?
Just coureous, how Akikai Aikido practioners learn the concept of KI? How do you learn to extend KI in a technique as compared to muscling thru it? Watching many Aikido videos (Akikai Style) and it just seems to me that they are muscling thru the techniques. Yet, when I watch O'sensei's later videos before his death, he isn't using the pure physical aspect. How does a Akikai student learn how to apply KI? Can you develop this outside of just doing the waza? Thanks and may God bless!
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I think you will find in general a huge variety of ways of practising as well as of teaching under the Aikikai "umbrella". My personal experience is that within the Aikikai "muscling thru it" is generally regarded as bad aikido. I don't know your level of experience, but in my opinion it is not always easy at an early level to tell the difference between technically excellent aikido, aikido performed with inner power, and aikido where uke falls too easily (either to make tori look or feel better or simply through habit). My only time watching a ki aikido class (just one sample, so it is probably not representative) was disappointing - after all the ki exercises in the first part of the class I was expecting superior aikido, but what I did see was surprisingly scrappy and looked pretty ineffective. However, I have been in a couple of classes with Koretoshi Maruyama Sensei (ex-Ki Society), and found him deeply impressive, As I said, there is a lot of variation wherever you go. I'm not sure either what you mean by "how to apply KI". I'm not convinced that Tohei Sensei's guidelines and the exercises he taught are the same thing as what is often referred to on AikiWeb as "kokyu skills", but that's a whole different discussion. Alex |
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My guess is that this may be true for most, if not all styles of aikido. I hope to find out on my proposed journey next year. Quote:
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I've been following the arguments over what constitutes kokyu skills on these boards for years, probably best to leave that can of worms with the lid on for now.:) regards, Mark |
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May God Bless! Ed |
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I really liked Maruyama's teaching manner and humble presence in the class, and his aikido seemed to me to be on an unusually high level. As an example, one time he asked me out as uke to hold him ushiro munedakishime (bear-hug from behind), and I felt there was absolutely nothing there to hold. Then I fell over. Mind you, I have felt similar things from teachers within the Aikikai: for instance from Kanetsuka, Yamaguchi and Yamashima Senseis. Quote:
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I love the guy. |
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Regards.G. |
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Ed |
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It doesn't. That is the point. It is an umbrella organisation encompassing the many diverse styles of many different shihans including Yamaguchi-sensei, Saito-sensei, Nishio-sensei, Kisshomaru-doshu etc. Each of these senseis can be as different from each other as as 2 sensei's from different organisations.
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You feel it for yourself when you practice Aikido, regardless of what particular group you train with. Get away from the notion of others, them and styles, there is no aiki in that thinking place. Practice and visualize the feeling that emanates from the basic techniques and you will find the Way to KI feeling for your self through the practice itself.
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May God bless! Ed May God bless! |
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Sorry Ed I cant explain. why. I feel that way. Blessings to you also.
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Thank you Ed I appreciate your Honest manner. Its wonderful that you have a healthy enthusiasm for the Art and the conviction to expressing your understanding, we learn from one an other in this world. I will visit Kamakura in May 2012 before going to Europe. I love it in Kamakura and I feel so at home while visiting. All the best to you and Kind Regards.
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We in Aikikai learn KI by illumination (other names are : satori or direct experience of Highest Reality). When extending our KI, we can throw aggressive and violent attacker on the street without actually touching him. This is actual default test requirement for shodan (1 degree black belt) Can you do it? If not you, can anybody in Ki Aikido style do it? If you can do that, could you present it on video please? So we can see if you are not muscling the technique. You can also present on video your normal dojo practice, I want to make sure you are not muscling the technique on daily basis. |
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Ok, so let me get this straight. One of your test requirements for shodan is to have the person testing go out, somehow get violently attacked on the street and throw the attacker without touching him. Is that about right? That would make a helluva YouTube clip. Best, Ron |
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I think he is writing with his tongue firmly in his cheek and not adding the appropriate smiley. I agree, though, it would make a good youtube clip, can't wait.:rolleyes: regards, Mark |
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I kind of figured that, but with Szczepan you never can be too sure. Best, Ron |
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May God bless (or that highest reality):) ! Ed:ki: |
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First of all, discussing about KI in Spiritual part of forum must be some kind of cruel joke. It clearly means that Ed has no idea what spirituality means, even if he sign his post with a lot of God blessing. Also, Ed, from what he is writing here is deeply convinced, that Ki Aikido is not muscling techniques, while all aikido world happily do it. It is a variation of old pattern "my style is better than your style". And what are the bases for his statement? Watching YT videos and practice in 1 or 2 aikido dojo. How ridicule it is? It is as ridicule as my post to him. Of course he understood nothing at all. That's life. One day 10 years old girl will kick his ass, may be such terrific and scary event will destroy his fantasy about KI Aikido as an effective way to learn self defense. Or maybe not -- and for the rest of his life he will remain convinced that it was only possible because she muscled her technique hahahahahaha :D :D |
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May God Bless (yes even you). Ed |
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