All of the Techniques in Aikido?
Hi can any one tell me which are the ALL techniques in aikido. This has been my question seance 6 years ago(i used to train but i broke my finger for the yellow belt exam-5 kyu)
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If so, then you will get some varied responses, since some "styles" choose to/ not to use various techniques, and some have ones that no others do. But generally speaking. : There are the 3 main wrist locks: -Ikkyo -Nikkyo -Sankyo And then the throws: -Koyku-nage -Tenchi-nage -Kote-gaeishi -Sayu-nage -Kaiten-nage And then you have some others/ variants, such as: -Hiji-otoshi -Sumi-otoshi -Arm bars -Kubi-shime(chokes) And tons of others that i am sure i am not thinking of at the moment:p , or that my form of Aikido does not teach. Just let me know if you have any other questions rei, morgan |
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Thank you but i think that yonkyo and gokyo are one of the main wrist locks and i nevewr heard of Sayu-nage can you describe it
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Well for us we have(and keep in mind these can be done from any attack and in more than one way usually more than just omote and ura)
ikkyo nikkyo sankyo yonkyo gokyo kotegaeshi irimi sayu / sokumen irimi koshi juji sumiotoshi tenchi tenbin kokyu hiji kubijime kaiten aikiotoshi then ovcourse aikiken and aikijo and im probably forgetting something...so etc. etc. |
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Thanks I probably know even less than that.But what about some techniques about rokyo or something.
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And sayu nage is kinda like kokyu-nage, but with the back of your arm, versus the inside; does that make sense?(and its not my favorite, haha) |
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It makes sense but some people refer to yonkyo as Sumi otoshi i dont know why. I think yonkyo can be resisted easily if you do yoga to strech your arms.
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I'm curious why someone who trained briefly six years ago would care about the answer. Is it sort of like, I don't know, a stamp-collecting thing?
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The organisation where I train differentiate between yonkyo and sumiotoshi, also. Yonkyo seems to be more of an 'outside' technique, whereas sumiotoshi is done more from the inside (that makes sense in my head). But that might just be a quirk of our style, I don't know. I've also never seen anyone in our dojo demonstrate or even speak of jujinage, even though I've always considered it one of the 'main' techniques that everyone seems to practice.
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Sayunage is known as sokumen iriminage in some dojos.
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If a broken finger keeps you off the mats knowing the names of the techniques is the least of your worries.
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i didnt mean something like katetori ikkyo, but kust ikkyo nikyo sankyo and so on. Thanks for all the replies
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Are there techniques like Rokkyo,Shickyo,Hachkyo...
And how about Hijinage, Aikinage, Kote oroshi... Thanks, Marko |
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Oh, sorry I meant to say that some people refer to hiji-otoshi as yonkyo. I'm really sorry for the mistake my friend was here when I was writing this and he mentioned sumi-otoshi so I wrote that. When I was reading the replies I saw someone said that, but when I looked at the name-oh snap I didn't write it right.
Thank you for the understanding (if you understand), Marko |
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The pressure point in yonkajo/yonkyo doesn't work on everyone, but proper body movement and control of the center works on many more people than simply using a pressure point.
Of course, no method is infallible... Best, Ron |
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As for sumi otoshi, I wonder whether the question concerns ai hanmi sumi otoshi, which can involve hand positioning similar to yonkyo. But I agree that the throw itself is, despite that similarity, very different, and doesn't involve (for me) the application of yonkyo as a means of control. YMMV David |
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Another approach might be, tailor what you do to the specifc circumstance...that way, you waste less energy on things not relevent to the situation. Both are good approaches... Best, Ron (pick your poison) |
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Marko,
You are not in the dojo to learn vocabulary, nor to amass the largest collection of techniques, so you can rattle them off like baseball cards. With training the techniques will come, and some of them will have names - some not. With testing, the requirements will be communicated to you in whatever terminology works in your dojo. If you think of your Aikido as being a set of individual techniques, it will not flow from you naturally. O'sensei, when asked by outsiders, "how many techniques does Aikido have?", would sometimes answer (facetiously), "30,000". Sometimes he would answer, "One". The latter answer is probably the more accurate. Ask your sensei, and anyone else you'd care to, what "Take Musu Aiki" means to them. None of the answers will be wrong, or better than others. Then, ask yourself what it means. |
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Just learn perfect/flawless tenkan, irimi technique and you could build a solid curriculum around that, rounded with some nice smooth principles of leverage and center management.
Think and feel outside of the box of techniques. Look under them. Feel what is under them |
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So what your saying is... to learn the principles of motion.
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I am saying learn the principles of Aikido and the function is another realm .... look beneath the technique
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As you have no doubt noticed, different groups have various names for similar techniques. If you would like a good description of basic techniques and the more common advanced techniques, the two volume 'Best Aikido' by the current and former Doshu would be a good place to start.
As for yonkyo, I think Ron is right. I focus on proper position and extension and the movement works regardless of the nerve. Of course, my wife never misses the nerves in my arms.... Cheers, Garth |
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I found that a great way to be "reminded" of the great variety of techniques in aikido are the DVDs of Christian Tissier. There are 3 DVDs I recommend, "Immobilizations", "Projections" and "Aplications". Of course, to consider the full gamut of techniques you should consider weapon taking as well, but these 3 DVDs cover all basic techniques with detail and great attention.
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