The use of weapons
Lewis Bernaldo de Quiros teaching ken solo work in Dorset at a seminar organised by Wellsprings Aikido.
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This is very interesting...I haven't been able to watch it with sound yet but I am hoping there is some explanation for the twitch at the end of the stroke, and also why the neutral, seigan posture is tilted off to the side a bit.
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Far out. So it's hard to cut through?
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It demonstrates that at the point of impact hands do not over dominate each other and allow the centre to do its job.
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Part 2 - pair practice. Mostly third kumitachi with variations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmBu6VHY1c |
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Is there maybe, supposed to be a sort of projection of ki outward along the length of the blade? |
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I enjoyed watching the clips of Mr Lewis, he is good and the whole system has a lot of very good body mechanics. |
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I wonder why they step of the line? Especially visible in pair practise...
Katana as striking weapon? That is new to me. I was always taught it to be a cutting tool... The tilt I do not get either. I understand one would project its center through the bokken and remain balanced. |
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In Yagyu Shinkage ryu we call it holding your sword "naturally" or jun. And if you've got your hips turned a bit, it is in fact natural to have your sword turned a bit. Training to use the bokken as a bokken is actually really fascinating, in that a couple of hundred years of swordsmen engaging in rather serious duels with bokken to demonstrate their skills or the virtues of the system they trained, nobody ever systematized "bokutojutsu." (Well, somewhere online is an essay written by Karl Friday speculating that such a thing must have been a thing, but there isn't any evidence of it). |
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This is still irimi, not tenkan or am I mistaken? and why allow striking with bokken when with shinken this is considered bad? the one is training material for the other. it is like saying: "we do this in practise, but in a fight we do that." No, you will not. I am confused as what they are trying to accomplish.... |
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To recive, the uketachi stays on the line while turning into the strike and blends. Quote:
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Thanx for taking time to explain further. Much appreciated ;)
So it is not in fact irimi, but a 'tight' form of tenkan. We practise a form where tori 'takes' the center and deflects the bokken of aite. Tori in this case does not (should not) move away from the center line. The training material was meant for bokken being practise instrument of the shinken and basically there is no difference in handling them. Bokken is simply safer in practise, especially when 'searching'/'exploring'. |
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We would create small opening so aite would attack (i.e. move bokken slightly to the side). Then we would enter (on the line) and make similar movement as shown in vid. We train this go tai, ju tai and ryu tai. The first two emphasize kimusubi (control ma-ai and move backwards) and the latter is irimi (and move forward and deflect in one single action). So many exercise exist that it is sometimes hard to 'see' what the exercise is for (especially when coming from different perspective) Thanx for your explanation :D |
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- In view of the general belief in the Iwama community that Saito Sensei came the closest to full transmission of O-Sensei's aikido, do you believe that O-Sensei viewed the bokken primarily as a striking weapon, rather than a cutting weapon? - Is there any training exercise in the Iwama curriculum that is understood to be using the bokken as if it were a cutting instrument? These questions are very interesting to me, as my own feeling is that the experience of aikido as uke is very different if tori has the intent to cut, rather than to strike. Alex |
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Like Alex, I'd like to know when/where this "bokken is not an imitation shinken" business started, and what O-sensei would have to say about it.
To add to his great questions: - Why in Iwama practice is the bokken held at the left hip just past the tsuka while you find you partner and walk to your practice spot, then raised in a symbolic sword draw motion to begin practice? - Why do all bokken techniques/exercises involve hands being strictly on the tsuka at all times? (unlike the Iwama jo, a blunt weapon where you use many different hand positions and motions) - Why do takeaway techniques never involve grasping the attacker's weapon except at the tsuka? - Why is it shaped so specifically like a sword anyway, if it is supposed to be a blunt weapon rather than a sword replica? - Why is it improper to hand bokken to others except by giving them the tsuka? - Why do you start and end weapons sessions using specific locations (bokken on your left vs on right) for bowing in vs out? I know none of these questions are damning on their own but in total it feels to me like bokken practice in general was designed/intended at its core to be imitation sword practice. Maybe the "but the bokken is a blunt weapon on its own, too" idea was added (or over-emphasized) later, in contradiction to the original intent of the practice? Quote:
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