Hakama or no hakama.
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Once more I have a question that was raised on my research over Aikido. It is concerned to the use of the Hakama, and the most important thing I readed was: " Currently, most Aikido dojo do not follow O Sensei's strict policy about wearing the hakama. Its meaning has degenerated from a symbol of traditional virtue to that of a status symbol for yudansha. I have traveled to many dojo in many nations. In many of the places where only the yudansha wear hakama, the yudansha have lost their humility. They think of the hakama as a prize for display, as the visible symbol of their superiority. This type of attitude makes the ceremony of bowing to O Sensei, with which we begin and end each class, a mockery of his memory and his art." In: http://www.aikidofaq.com/misc/hakama.html Reading this from a student from the O Sensei named Shigenobu Okumura Sensei, and comparing to this, "So, in my opinion, there are two approaches to hakama wearing that feel right: 1. Everybody wears a hakama from the first time they buy a "uniform" and we live with the drawbacks from day one and get the advantages too. 2. Hakama are worn by yudansha, always and exclusively. So beginners don't have to deal with the cost or the problems and are less hidden. Yudansha have reached the level where elegance and dignity should be important aspects of their practice so they are expected to show that. I've been in many dojo with many different philosophies on this matter - and in my experience, these are the two that work best." in: http://www.aikiweb.com/misc/jones1.html this is a personal opinion, wich I respect as much as I respect the first one, but what I cant understand is that if the Hakama is a symbol of Humility and commitment, why distinguish beginners from advanced when according the the elder O Sensei everyone without a Hakama shouldnt be allowed to step the mat, regarding this last opinion with this sentence, "So beginners don't have to deal with the cost or the problems and are less hidden. Yudansha have reached the level where elegance and dignity should be important aspects of their practice so they are expected to show that." it shows only that the Hakama is used as trophy and as an object of arrogance only concerning the looks, so my final question is, a beginner by not wearing a hakama has no dignity ? Do the "looks" become more important than the man ? If everyone is so much influenced by the O Sensei, whay adulterate the one simple tradition ? Hakama is meant for the Elite ? Thanks PS: None of this is personal, but it just made me think a while, and since I am trying to choose a dojo, should I take in consideration the fact that I should choose one more close to the O Sensei or something more "modern" if you can call it that. |
There are certainly more qualified people on this board than me to talk about this, but I'll take a stab at it. ;)
http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...&threadid=1445 You'll probably find the above thread very interesting and informative. Quote:
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Sarah (who is a long way from wearing a hakama, but tossed in her two cents anyway :D) |
At our dojo, it's not an issue.
BTW, The Founder was at Hombu dojo after WWII ended when the yudansha-only policy for hakama was in effect. Best Regards, |
Expensive ?
About the hakama being expensive, I dont consider myself a rich person, and I am not rich, but looking at some prices I saw online wich go from 50$US to 170$US, there seems to be a wide range, and doesnt look expensive at all. Well I payed a bit more for a complete set of equipment when I practiced Kickboxing, a single pair of good gloves can cost much more than that.
What I asked and gave source, was two set of opposing ideas or just even perspectives, I dont know everything and I will never reach that point, but I just wanted a clear idea about it, you people who are "playing in this league" for much more time than I am, know much more and all I wanted was just a clear straight opinion about those two articles. I took my conclusions, I would like to be corrected in what I am wrong. Once more thanks for your time and understanding. |
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You're asking about the hakama policy as a criteria for preferring to join one dojo over another. Frankly, it shouldn't enter into the picture. It isn't even noise, much less being significant on a signal to noise ratio. What matters is a dojo/instructor/senior students that fit your personal situation. Here is the process that I usually hear recommended to those searching for a dojo: Go visit all of them that are within a practical commute. Train with them if you can, observe if you can't. Observe the instructor(s) and the senior students and how they interact with the more junior students. Be polite, but ask questions. After you have made the rounds, reflect on your notes, eliminate any obvious rejects, and visit them again. Repeat till you find a dojo that you can make a long-term commitment to. If you have questions, please feel free contact me on this list or to e-mail me privately. Best Regards, |
Well, first the quote is from Mitsugi Saotome Sensei, "The Principles Of Aikido" (the Aikidofaq had the name of the person being quoted after the quote, not before). Wearing a hakama early or late, both have roots in tradition (as much tradition as you can have from a martial art developed just a few decades ago---this is NOT an ancient martial art with centuries of tradition behind it). Both have pros and cons. The wear of one after your first test (not sooner) is a good starting point for the 'early' crowd, as by that time you know basically how to fall, which I think is one of the big things adding to attrition. But I don't think you should choose a dojo based on what anyone is wearing... not when there are more important factors, like the number of cute available members of the opposite sex:rolleyes:
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No one wears a hakama in our dojo - its not considered safe, it hides posture, and it restricts body movement. I wear one when I visit dojos that do use and I feel like a pig farmer in a tuxedo (restricted from what I do best-and yes I did work on a pig farm and I have worn a tuxedo).
I can not see joining or not joining a dojo based on the timing for wearing a fashion accessory. |
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Not considered safe, I`ll give you that, I have seen someone get his foot caught in his hakama as he was thrown causing him to crash and burn hard, resulted in dislocated collar bone, although that is the only major injury from a hakama that I have seen in 10 years. Hides posture, more the position or angle of the legs and feet, I think. I`m not even convinced that that is a problem. I know others more experienced than I have said the same, but I don`t subscribe to "feet must be at this angle" or "this far apart". I think that the feet should be in a position natural to the individual, whether the posture is good or not can still be determined wearing a hakama. Restricts movement, personally, I found that it aids movement, helps make movement more rounded and flowing (am I an aikibunny?). In my dojo back in the UK, we adorned hakama when our Sensei told us to, this varied from person to person. I have been wearing one for about 7 years, since 4th kyu, when I came to Japan last year and joined the Aikikai I had to begin again. Removing the hakama was very strange, at first I felt like a plank of wood without it. It took a number of months before I felt comfortable doing keiko in my underwear. :D I still don`t think that I move as freely as I did wearing one, but maybe it`s all in my head:freaky: |
I have never worn a hakama myself, but I have had at least 10 accidents when my foot or toe got stuck in nage's hakama while being thrown. At every time, I avoided very serious injury by a hair's width.
I have seen fresh yudansha frequently stumbling into their hakama and falling ridiculously, for at least the first few months. It is not unusual to see 3 dan and 4 dan teachers stumble in their hakama from time to time. I think accidents are inevitable unless you wear your hakama at knee level or slightly lower;) As for hiding the feet, yes it does, and this is the purpose of wearing it. In our dojo, there is great emphazis on correct posture and footwork, so I guess the hakama will get in the way towards achieving good and quick progress. By the way, I've seen at one dojo beginners wearing hakama, and there was not so much grace and elegance .... At our dojo, after 1 kyu, you have to pass a shodan ho test, which basically is a probation period for black belt during which you wear a black belt but no hakama. If you pass this period successfully, usually after 1 year, you have to pass another exam for shodan after which you will be allowed to wear hakama. |
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Fraid not, haven`t met him since. I will try and find out though, may take a day or three. He was in his seventies at the time, very nice chap, invited me to his house for tea and spoke at length about training.
When I went to the dojo, I was introduced to a another rather large chappie (think English but my memory is faint) who informed me that he was the all Japan Shodokan randori champion (I am using words learned after the fact - Shodokan and randori), he may have called it something differnt, but was telling me that he was the first non Japanese person to win the one on one competition. The other thing that struck me, and sticks hard in my memory, was how many times that everyone got stuck with the knife, regardless of whether they were a mudansha or yudansha. I think that was a lesson worth learning early on. |
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Just done the math a remembered that this was back in the summer of 1995. Just mailed off an enquiry, I`ll let you know if I get an answer. |
Ok well this is my personal feeling on this subject. I think that you should go to the dojo(s) and see if the hakama does bring ego. If it does then why study there? However by the same token if you go to a dojo and they don't wear hakama and the people wearing black belts have great ego about that then why study there? I think this question is founded in what Aikido seeks to do. For me Aikido is the search for humility and harmony and as you progress in rank you should be more humble. In some way I see the hakama as a test for them. It does set them apart and it is tempting to then say I am better because of this pair of baggie pants that I ware I am different now. But the truth is there is no difference and untimely I think this test is important. The dojo were I study it signifies that you are an instructor or some one who teaches (an assistant instructor). I think the big thing really lies in rank in general. I don't think that ego should accompany rank regardless. I know two very high ranking in two different arts and they are the most truly humble people I have ever met. I hope this helps with your question. To me it is just a pair of pants that look really cool flying through the air. The atmosphere were you want to train is more important find people who want what you do from the art and that is the most important thing.
Marty P.S. Sarah I love the quote it is so Aiki. Funny how you can find Aiki everywhere. I added it to my quote list thanks. "Did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfolded beneath the clear blue sky?" --Pink Floyd |
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At first: I think hakama should be worn by anyone who wants to but preferrably from the senior student rank on... Yup - it may be dangerous - all this stumbling and stuff BUT as I have experienced it - to avoid all this you have to have perfect movement in techniques AND in ukemi. Hakama teaches you and you will be better afterwards even in real situations and regular clothing. Yup - it hides posture - so what? If teacher is teaching he can always lift it a bit or ask the student in question to lift it a bit. Yup - it restricts body movement but these movements which it restricts are not needed in your Aikido. The backplate for example holds your back straight if tied correctly. All these knots and stuff they help you feel your center and if worn correctly it also works as a sort of bandage. Etc etc... Just my 1,3 cents worth... Jorgen Estonian Aikikai Riveta Sportsclub P.S. Quality hakamas are VERY expencive in Estonia... P.P.S. I would never wear a hakama in a foreign dojo for the first time when I go there. |
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I gather that the strict policy stopped in the postwar period in Japan because there simply happened to be a cloth shortage. People were turning up to classes in expensive silk hakama that had belonged to their Grandfathers and destroying the knees. Where the hakama has become a status symbol, the root of the problem actually lies somewhere beyond the hakama. If it wasn't the hakama, it'd be a black belt in that situation, or simply being able to say "I'm yudansha." andrew |
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Wow, sorry for your poor experience with people in hakamas. My hunch would people those people had that problem (arrogance, ego, etc.) long before they put on the hakama. As far as I can tell, those attitudes do not come with the material, thread, or pattern cut. So avoiding the hakama is not going to avoid the problem.
In Tenshinkai we wear the hakama with pride. Brown belts wear a blue hakama. Women can wear blue hakamas earlier for modesty resons if they want. Sorta old school. IMHO, look closer at the people and the instruction, rather than the clothing. Until again, Lynn Nidan Tenshinkai Aikido Lucaylucay Kali JKD |
The Hakama in the Yama Arashi Uk is restricted to the Yudansha. I don't feel it is an elitist thing, it doesn't set the Dan grades apart, other than they have a chance to wear less when it's hot, and it gives the Mudansha a target when they are given the chance to pick their training partner. Everyone on the mat is told "grab the highest grade you can", the skirted ones are a good place to start. Also, when Sensei is showing nuances of foot position, he hooks the hem in his belt, not really elegant but effective in instruction.
Have fun. |
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