hips and shoulders
Have you noticed how when you turn your hips and let you hands stay in proportion to your hips, your shoulders follow your hips and can provide extra opportunity to your hands?
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I don't think you should be turning from your hips. At least we don't do that in weapons, and I've been working to remove that habit from aikido as well.
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Yes agreed.
If you point everything in one direction and move as a unified body, combined with mental focus/awareness and intention/attention/projection, you may just find some extra power and opportunities. |
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Are "turning your hips" and "turning from your hips" the same thing?
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Uke pushes...nage turns at the hips...nage's opposite arm comes underneath uke's elbow and past, curling up...nage turns hips back in the direction whense she came ...uke's elbow collapses as nage's shoulder follows nage's opposite hip.
What I am noticing is how the shoulder joint can move to help unsettle uke as it moves in conjunction with the hips. I hope that is clearer than mud. :o) |
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Try Googling "three external harmonies" - here's the first result that came up when I tried it:
http://www.martialtaichi.co.uk/artic..._harmonies.php Best, Chris |
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mary ~ my thoughts would be to try to neutralise the push, or worst case scenario turn with ur centre, not your hips just my opinion regards Chris |
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In answer to the o/p I find yes and no.
Yes in as much as if wanting to use your shoulder then the connection with the hips is imperative. Secondly I would say that two things can be practiced: 1) Turning from centre. 2) Turning from hips (koshi) (kua) I would ask you Mary as to which part of the hips do you feel you are moving ie: the whole bowl so to speak or do you concentrate on relaxing the back of the hips and thus that pivotal point.? Personally now I find the shoulders 'disappearing' when turning the hips, going 'passive' rather than 'active' and if I am reading your exercise correctly it would then lead me more to a kokyu ho type exercise. Peace.G. |
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IMHO, taking the structural alignment from the foot, up the leg, "through" the hips/center/hara, extended into the elbows, out the fingers, extended/projected into and through the uke's center, towards a kuzushi point tends to do it for me.
Visualize the path. Energy follows focus. |
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Shoulder disappearing then reemerging... blending with uke's push when needed... not if if not needed. Each uke is so different.
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As an added bit of interest your description reminded me of something I was taught or rather shown many moons ago and although it's not really to do with hip/shoulder it is to do with turning and then turning back. I was wondering how comes the teacher could turn me back and flip me with hardly any movement from himself. He showed me what it looked like if done so that I could see it. He proceeded to take my attack and lead me around with a complete tai sabaki and then turn back with kote gaeshi. All very slowly and comfortably. He said after lots of practice and focus on the flows and energy of such basics you can already have it done which looks to the outsider like a short cut or something totally different. Yet energy wise it's the same as that slow well recognizable form. Peace.G. |
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I also like the image of a double-cross: in which there are two horizontal arms (the shoulders and the hips) directly aligned with each other and a third vertical post (the spine). Turn neither the shoulders or the hips, turn the spine.
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I have couple of students who can't find their hips...hense my fascination with this right now. |
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I wrote about this when I talked about Koshi. Basically Japanese use the word to mean hips but more specifically the back of the hips, base of the spine.
So when Japanese teachers used to tell my teacher to open his hips he found many didn't understand as they saw the hips conceptually as that bowl or even the sides rather than what was meant. Once again it's a western concept put over the Japanese and so people struggle with understanding it. To get the reality to my students I get them practicing the feeling of sitting on a comfortable chair or setee and how that action is where you naturally relax the back of the hips and and lower it. Thus awareness of koshi and the Japanese meaning for hips is gained. I then give examples of let's say the horse stance and how that is sitting in koshi. Other methods of how to find the hips. Peace.G. |
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Funny thing is that tai chi also has a problem with peoples misunderstanding of a similar thing they call kua or cua ( I forget which is the right spelling). The development of Koshi I would say is one of those fundamental 'secrets' hidden in plain sight and if you prefer a 'general' meaning for it then you will never get it. Peace.G. |
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You can make up your own usage for it, but Japanese people won't understand it. The kua is something quite different. Best, Chris |
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Anyway, until you can use it as such and know where else in martial arts it is used and which ones compare to how I use it here then there's no more to say really. Peace.G. |
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