Aikido is Elbow Power
It was referenced in this thread that Ueshiba said "Aikido is Elbow Power."
In Yoshinkan Aikido, two of the six foundational solo exercises are "Elbow Power #1" and "Elbow Power #2" [Hiriki no Yosei ichi & ni]. What IS elbow power?? And why is it so important that Ueshiba would have equated it with Aikido? |
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Are there any references of Ueshiba to elbow power? Or is that just Shioda?
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As someone once said to me back in my taekwondo days, "The elbow always wins."
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I don't know about it being a basic but it is something you become more aware of and it's usage.
However tnere is a guy who took to it and developed Hiriki Aikido. You can look it up on google. Here's a vid. http://youtu.be/SLZnLg13p3Y Regards.G. |
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What elbow power actually is, isn't that simple, or crude, it is rather sophisticated and involves whole body use to enhance aiki.... I haven't personally seen it or felt it expressed in aikido....yet. Dan |
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I know the ballpark thanks. Shame you haven't seen it expressed or used in Aikido. Regards.G. |
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I find that a very strange thing to say. I do indeed ask naturally why you can't see what I'm doing. I also ask why is that? Regards.G. |
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Elbow power is an idea, a principle and technique praticed in the kihon dosa of the Yoshinkan. It teaches one to use their whole body behind an arm movement, unifying and focusing power. Hiriki no yosei dai ni is the same thing, but adds a shifting movement. While the exact visual representation of elbow power may not be seen in every aikido techniques, the principal behind it can often be pointed out in a variety of movements.
I can't see the video, but there are some good vids of kihon dosa on the 'ole Youtube. Kihon Dosa to Kanren Waza is a great little montage of the kihon dosa coupled with a prac app technique. |
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Assigning power to a body part I'll leave to you. Regards.G. |
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I think it is just that different teachers focus on different terms and different methods of teaching to express and teach their certain understanding or interrests. To be sure I looked it up again this morning in "Total Aikido" of Shioda Gozo. We don't to his two exercises shown there to be fundamental training methods. But I think, we always practice and train what they want to teach. Or better what I think they want to teach: Transfering your (breath) power from the tanden (often referred to but not identical with "the hips") into and through your arms. As a simple, practical advice we often say: "Don't lift your hand with your arm. Let uke have/hold your hand and lift your elbows with your hips (there is a connection). And have some energy just in your fingertips." There is much more to say and learn about the tanden, the shoulders, especially the legs. All this is involved. But as far as I understand hiriki is about the whole body being connected and transferring power through the elbows. We have our hands relaxed alway and we very seldom grab uke. So what I understand as elbow power is always part of our aikido. And working with the sword it simply is what moves the sword. Not the hands, not the shoulders. |
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I agree. Not having trained in Yoshinkan I havn't maybe had it as a basic principle as they do but I do understand and use it as you describe. This comes about through two reasons from my training. 1) The continuous use of weight underside. 2) Leading Ki. Of course people pointing out all the time that it's based on all parts being connected applies to all moves so I don't get the significance there. It should be taught from day one. There are many aspects to the use of the elbow the most basic being it should not be sticking out except when leading. This as you say is especially important in sword work. In the early days my teacher would hit the elbow with the bokken every time it wasn't tucked in. As far as cutting goes I think you'll find it's not only the elbow that leads but together with the knee and foot. For me in tight situations the elbow is merely as if I have a short arm and so is like using tegatana. Regards.G. |
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Found something on youtube:
Elbow power basic excercises |
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First, for power and mobility. As the leg is kept straight the, for lack of a better word, 'slack' is out of the system. So as in all good Aikido, the movement originates at the hips so even a small 'flick' of the hips due to the nature of the leg's connection to the ground translates (extremely efficiently) into force which can be focused, like the way in the exercise show. So what is holding up whatever force you're not supposed to try to lift with your arm? That same straight back leg, you should feel the weight on the arm in the back toes. What slows you down from a really spirited shuffle and allows the upper posture to remain consistent without making the front knee work hard? Good old, always there straight back leg. My take on it anyway as a 3 year Yoshinkan practitioner. Basically always on connection to the ground. |
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Good to see you back. Elbow power is part IP and it is also part aiki. As waza...I am uninterested. That stuff just happened after the fact. So getting all hepped up on waza is not a way I would go to understand IP or aiki. None of the uses mentioned cover all three.It is interesting and enternaining to see some peoples fluid and chameleon like changes in their posistion. All the best Dan |
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I still can't figure out what it means specifically. Everything Carsten said and everything Dan hinted at suggests to me:
elbow power is just another name for the basics of internal strength. True? And if true-- we still seem to have different people using the same term to mean non-related things. Quote:
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