It happens to the best of them
I remember Dave Lowry once writing that he has never trained with a Menkyo or high level teacher who did not make at least one error during training. I would agree with that assessment.
Here is the old man himself falling down Of course it doesn't mean anything, but someone brought it up on my forum. Mentioning that they hadn't seen it before. I hadn't seen it before either. Dan |
Re: It happens to the best of them
I won't disagree with Mr. Lowry's observation. I don't think anyone isn't susceptible to failure no matter who they are. In context, look at MMA. It is ludicrous to think there isn't going to be strikes exchanged, opportunities missed, miscalculations or other errors made by both winner and loser. A truth that says errors will be made no matter who it is, when engaged in martial arts. The "old man" falling down, much less at his age still performing technique well, let's us see what his is doing is real. He is real. His demonstration is real. It's our exceptions too high when we don't all margin of error, demanding the impossible standard of perfections. Here O'Sensei is publicly demonstrating. He isn't instructing a class. Two different venues. Errors will be made by both sides of the conflict, the winner is the one who makes the less significant and minimal errors. Mr. Harden pointing out O'Sensei's stumble, something evidently over-looked, indicates the wonderful no matter how good you are the fact remains everyone makes mistake. How quickly, often and how you recover from mistake is key. In a fighting situation add on how you exploit your opponent's mistakes. I have always enjoyed the work of Mr. Lowery, and he is spot on here IMHO. Martial artists, fighters and teachers are human, we are fallible.
|
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
I think it's a general saying, along with "Inu mo arukeba bo ni ataru," meaning "even dogs run into sticks when they go out walking." So monkeys are great climbers but they still fall from trees and dogs are masters of the natural environment, but they still run right into a stick from time to time. That certainly was a great video of aikido, though. That's real believable power. That guy led bunches of really powerful people and they all remembered him as a special master. Not only does he stumble once in this clip, but I noticed that he was slightly struck on the back when he did the "aiki drop" in front of the shomen uchi attack. And I noticed for the first time a few instances where he seems to be very conscious of how he appears before the camera. That's interesting. But I also notice many places where he shows that old daito ryu thing that we never see in modern aikido: the zanshin moment directly after a throw, with one arm up and one arm down, a posture assumed separately after the throw and not resulting from the action of the throw. And it's not in preparation to follow up with a downward strike, either, because the opponent has been thrown ten feet away. We might say that it is preparation for the next technique, and I see now that it is just that. But in modern aikido, we don't see that kamae in nage very much as the attack comes, do we? How is that posture a preparation for the next technique? It was clearly a practice for O Sensei. Why is it not for the generations that followed? If we see that posture at all in these later days, it's usually a set-up for a downward strike and it's usually done only with the upper arm and only for an instant. It seems that O Sensei's use of that posture is generally understood to "show the potential" of following up with a downward strike, so to show "understanding," people do the downward strike. Even Morihei does it more quickly at some times and holds it longer at others, but it is clearly the raising of the arm that is important and the intent is not for striking down. So what is he doing with that raised arm? And with that in mind, what is happening with the down arm? What is he dong that for? What are his feet doing? What are his head and eyes doing? How is he breathing? You can see all that in many moments when he assumes that posture in this clip. Very interesting and well worth repeated watching. Best wishes. {{And thanks, Dan!}} David |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Having trained with Dave Lowry off and on for over 30 years in several arts I can tell you that he often tells a student who makes a mistake that no one is perfect and mistakes are part of the learning process.
In fact Lowry is Chairman of the Japanese Festival here in St.Louis. He was demonstraiting Shinto Muso Ryu Jodo with a Menkyo Kaiden holder Phil Relnick Last September. The jo came loose from Relnicks Sensei's left hand. Relnick Sensei laughed and commented about St.Louis outdoor demo's and being coated with sun screen that makes the jo try to go it's own way. Even the Master is human. When Lowry was teaching at the Shobukan Aikido Dojo he was showing us the next technique and in the middle of it he stops and smiles and says "but don't do it like this". He then adjusted his hand and said " this is the way it should be done". We all laughed at that one. Even Dave Lowry is not perfect. Today he only teaches Jodo and sword but gives seminars in other budo and Koryu. I miss those old days.. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
I think he tripped on his Hakama.
David. I would say there is a remarkable resemblance to how he returns to posture with arms as you say (sometimes) and tenshinage. Thus I would say it's a return to hara and 'the floating bridge' between heaven and earth. Peace.G. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
When I was learning to sew, I was never as relieved as when my incredibly stylish and masterful teacher came in one morning and ruefully admitted she'd sewn a sleeve in inside out and backwards the evening before...
|
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Best. David |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
Can you explain the above for a simple basics guy such as me :confused: Henry Ellis Co-author of `Positive Aikido` http://aikido-bracknell.blogspot.com/ |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
From hara you feel the yin and yang, the taking in infinitely and the expansion out. Now sitting comfortanly and letting the body move with it your arms and hands may go out sideways as if welcoming the universe. However I find when I am focused foreward yet returning to hara the the arms do as you describe. The feeling is very similar if not the same as tenshinage. Thus I could say tenshinage is returning to basic posture or say it in some profound way. That's my take on it. Now if you want to see me doing it, which I find myself doing to different degrees and only more pronounced depending on the circumstances you can watch a video of mine. Not saying anything to do with anything else just that I tend to do it or similar to it naturally at times. (video: spirit of loving protection 2, from 2:35 onwards) Peace.G. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
|
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
Peace.G. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
Again you use your own video as evidence to support your theories. I have never seen you move in accordance with the the things you say you can do, nor have you demonstrated anything on film that is cogent with your writing. No one who is actually expressing in/yo would move the way you do. In fact their structure would not allow them to move the way you move. It is almost impossible to understand what In/Yo is, and moving from center as you yourself claim to know and do...and then move the way you do. I would have to completely take my structure apart in order to move and respond like you. I never expected you to wade in with yet another reference of how you move like Ueshiba!! :rolleyes: Comparing yourself to Ueshiba, particularly in regards to this aspect of his training and what it really means is strikingly divergent from any real understanding of what Ueshiba is doing and demonstrating. Oh well. Dan |
Re: It happens to the best of them
In accordance with Juns request; it might be easier to not to talk about the people behind the posts if you stopped referring to videos of yourself and comparing your movements to the discussions we are having about Ueshiba. ;)
Dan |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
It happens in a thing called Aikido when I do it. It's not an I/P thing by the looks of it according to you. I'm glad it isn't. It's actually to do with the sword as well. Peace.G. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
I do I do Talk about UESHIBA!!! and not you That way ...we.... don't continually talk about the.... people..... behind the posts. Good grief man, is any of this sinking in? Dan |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
Through my own experience is the answer. Now, I can't use you as an example can I. I can't think of anyone else doing it off hand. Now, Janet remebers someone who did it too. It's called discussing a point raised by the posted video. I actually found that point interesting as I've never really put any emphasis on it. I must admit I haven't seen anyone do the little hop though. Now that was bouyant! Peace.G. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
... I tripped on a Hakama once... :uch:
Yeah, I am pretty sure that does not mean I am 'doing it like Ueshiba' either though... ;) :D |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
There is no tighter trap....then self deceit. Nothing more final than self-delusion. It cannot be helped. Arguing as the true vision, they are ones who do not see, and will never know. Dan |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
|
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quite a few times both in and out of the dojo I have tripped for no reason at all. Does this mean that I should be called O Dave?
|
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
Greg |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
|
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
greg |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote from Phi Truong:
"nope. that reserved for those intimate private moments with your significant other" .....HAAAAAAAAAAA!! Good one. |
Re: It happens to the best of them
Quote:
There is no aikido here, whatsoever - just indulgence of pretence. Try putting in the hard work - rather than just prancing about, and claiming you have the ability which others have actually had to earn. |
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:40 PM. |
Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.