Randori...we don't do enough of it
I got clobbered in randori today...My thoughts are that yes, someone can be wearing a brown/blackbelt but may still be 6th kyu when it comes to performing randori. The thing with randori is that we don't do enough of it. Just like to know how you tackled a similar problem if you've encountered it.
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Randori - grasping order out of chaos.
DVD's, seminars? - don't buy it. The only way to improve is to do lots of it against a variety of people. Develop what the French call sangfroid. |
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Be advised that George's randori DVD isn't really a DVD. It's a PowerPoint presentation on a compact disc. Won't work on a Mac.
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Randori is the most fun. Relax and enjoy...the more you can stay out of your head the better it feels and the better you will do.
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I find this a commonality as well. Its a difficult exercise to squeeze into a short class period so I think it gets glossed over a lot. It can be tricky to find enough qualified uke who don't mind revving it up some. Also, only one person can be nage at a time...hence the extra time consumption. Still, its a great equalizer. Often I've witnessed shinsa where the testing candidate displays excellent technique with his parters in one on one situations (especially predetermined uke), but start to fall apart, or at the very least display a noticeable dichotomy in skill, when it comes to randori (usually, in tests I've seen...the candidate has known uke for all requirements but whomever gets there first is uke in randori...especially when your talking 5+ person randori). It definitely is one of those things that could be practiced more. I recently had a discussion about this with my teacher.
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We do randori after every class ... takes more than regular practice to get good at randori.
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Hendricks sensei has a pretty structured way of teaching randori (my experience from the randori-focused seminars with her in Sweden that I´ve attended) that seems to have some similarities to George Ledyards methodology. Edit: So when you do randori after class, you probably have a pretty keen grasp on what you are trying to accomplish. My experience is that that is not at all that common. |
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Yeah, Randori is like that. I agree, most dojos need to do more. However, with the teaching methodologies employed in aikido at the range it typically is trained at....doing more randori isn't necessarily going to help a whole lot until you get the basics down. Hence, why you probably don't see much of it.
The problem is that, from an Aikido perspective, once it fails, you end up in the clinch, then it enters into a whole nother realm or spectrum of jiu jitsu training. Most dojos typically will break it up at that point and reset...then reach the conclusion that it is contrary or harmful to the things they are trying to train. that may or may not be true, but it depends on what you are training. |
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Why would you break it up....just keep moving until you get out.
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Just me thinking out loud (and of course doing it as such with my friends and training partners).... Chris |
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The problem I have with randori is when it's done poorly at a public demo. It is in my opinion the main reason that some people watching think that Aikido is fake.
Nage drops down on all fours while uke is not even close enough yet and uke still rolls over, nage touches the shoulder of an uke who goes flying etc etc. |
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I'm an advocate of the full spectrum of rqndori and of training jiu jitsu throughout the entite spectrum. Problem is that very few people or schools do this. No worries, just pointing out why I feel that many schools don't do more randori. It is hard to keep it confined to the one spectrum or area you train on. |
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Maybe you don't do enough of it. Where I train we do randori drills pretty frequently.
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This is why I have become disillusioned with aikido, at present: it's entirely theoretical - which I understand - and there is no provision made for when things don't go perfectly to plan: i.e., real-life. Can you not use 'aiki' through other techniques - in other situations? I really would like to see a new akido training methodology emerge, as the old one - as Jigoro Kano said - is severely lacking. |
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Hey Graham, understand where you are. Been there myself. I am finding ways to integrate aikido principles in my training. Note I said principles. I don't li it myself to particular methodologies. A lot of the IS guys have been very helpful.
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This really begs the question.
How important do you see randori training in the context of over-all Aikido? I've posted a lot about my opinion but before I do it again I am really interested in general opinions. |
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If trouble actually occurs, uke was not whispering loud enough to shitie (nage) to hear correctly, right Mary? http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...hlight=whisper Regards, Anthony |
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Has anyone trained Randori with "exotic" weapons?
One of the great gifts of Aikido is multiple attacker Randori. In Kenpo we also trained the "mass attack" regularly and it was the final gift to a student who was testing for a belt promotion. But maii changes when knives are being thrown and chain-type weapons are presented rather than Katana and clubs. And strategies must change for the defender when these types of attacks include several people. Once experiencing this, try adapting Randori to a disciplined v shaped Kali formation where the point man is throwing weapons and his flanks are feeding him more knives to throw. Or try Randori against a swat-style building entry formation, making your throws by gripping their long arms and pistols. Try using the first uke as a shield from lines of fire, as a ballistic mass being thrown into the next person who is pointing his front sight toward you. The Creativity is endless once you break out of the anachronistic training of an ancient pattern of Budo. Cheers, Chris |
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though I'm not well versed in the nuance between someone throwing objects vs. slicing and blunt trauma instruments. |
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