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stern9631 04-20-2005 02:44 PM

Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Is aikido an idealized sport/ma and philosophy?

Kevin Leavitt 04-20-2005 02:53 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
what do you mean by that?

Is impressionism idealized art...or simply a well done style of art? Need more information in order to respond.

Cyrijl 04-20-2005 02:58 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Could you please be more vague? :D

rob_liberti 04-20-2005 02:59 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
no

Misogi-no-Gyo 04-20-2005 04:02 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Rob Liberti wrote:
no


Yeah...what he said. :straightf

SeiserL 04-20-2005 04:26 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Shaun Ravens wrote:
Yeah...what he said. :straightf

I'll third the "no".

stern9631 04-20-2005 04:59 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Maybe I should have posted "Does aikido really work?" The responses are longer.

tedehara 04-20-2005 05:48 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Jon Truho wrote:
Maybe I should have posted "Does aikido really work?" The responses are longer.

Depends on who is trying to make it "work".

guest89893 04-20-2005 06:55 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Jon Truho wrote:
Maybe I should have posted "Does aikido really work?" The responses are longer.

Yes.

xuzen 04-20-2005 10:12 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Is aikido a sport?
Answer:
1) Yes. If you see it from a point of physical education. Just ask the Shodokan people.

Is aikido a MA?
2) Yes. Just emphasize on the Jutsu part during your on mat practice

Is aikido a philosophy?
3) Yes. Just emphasize on the Do part during your off mat practice.

Is aikido a idealized....?
Yes, if you are in a completive mode.

Do you agree with my answer, Jon?

Boon.

maikerus 04-20-2005 10:23 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Depends on you. Its not for me.

PeterR 04-20-2005 10:29 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Xu Wenfung wrote:
Is aikido a sport?
Answer:
1) Yes. If you see it from a point of physical education. Just ask the Shodokan people.

A person seriously into Shodokan Aikido would not call it a sport either although if you said you did Aikido because of physical fitness and hence saw it as a sport we wouldn't get ourselves in a lather.

Shiai is a mechanism we use to improve our Aikido but to us Aikido (whatever form) is a Budo.

xuzen 04-20-2005 10:48 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
OK Peter,

Quote:

Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport....
I am typing this while doing bunny hops. Happy?

:sorry: :sorry: :sorry:

Boon.

PeterR 04-20-2005 10:56 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Nah - more bunny hops and smile while you are doing it. :D

I do think that Aikido must be approached as an athletic endeavor (the pursuit of skill and sweat) and some would consider that a definition of a sport. Take away that aspect and one should hesitate to call it Budo. The philosophy of Aikido follows - does not lead.

xuzen 04-21-2005 12:58 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Sniff! sniff!

Is that smell of BUDO (stale sweat) on you PeterR? Sorry, but I feel a little "Jodan'ish" today.

:D :D :D

Boon

PeterR 04-21-2005 01:05 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
That's ok - I'm perfectly happy to go gedan-ish. Be afraid, be very afraid.

maikerus 04-21-2005 01:20 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Jodan, Gedan, me-dan, you-dan...

What...you think this is some kind of sport/philosophy club or something? doesn't anyone just train anymore? :D

xuzen 04-21-2005 03:39 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Xu Wenfung wrote:
...<snip>...

Is aikido a idealized....?
Yes, if you are in a completive mode.

Do you agree with my answer, Jon?

Boon.


Erratum: It should read:-

Yes, if you are in a contemplative mode.

Boon.

Zato Ichi 04-21-2005 04:30 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Michael Stuempel wrote:
Jodan, Gedan, me-dan, you-dan...

Me Dan? No, me Rob. You Michael.

That guy over there... that's Dan.

Ketsan 04-21-2005 06:59 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Dan Dan the Aiki man.

Cyrijl 04-21-2005 08:19 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
i would have a hard time characterizing aikido as a sport. I think the idea of sport includes a scoring system and a winner/loser tension...Last time I checked aikido in a dojo isn't really supposed to have a point system.

Devin McDowell 04-21-2005 09:03 PM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Nor a winner, nor a loser, nor tension.

Zato Ichi 04-22-2005 08:04 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Quote:

Joseph Connolly wrote:
i would have a hard time characterizing aikido as a sport. I think the idea of sport includes a scoring system and a winner/loser tension...Last time I checked aikido in a dojo isn't really supposed to have a point system.

Yuuko = 1 pt.
Waza ari = 2pts.
Ippon = 4 pts.
Tsuki = 1 pt.

Players will switch being armed with the tanto at the predetermined time limit (1:30 for women, 1:00 for men) or if there ever is a point differential of more than 6.

A warning will be issued if a player steps beyond the play area, grabs his opponent's dogi, is not using taisabaki or drops the tanto.

Winner will be determined by point total. If the points are tied, the winner will be the player with the least number of warnings. If still deadlocked, the judges will confer and decide which player displayed better aikido.

And so on and so forth. Granted, this is for shiai, and is not generally practiced formally in the dojo, unlike randori practice (kakarigeiko, hikitategeiko, randorigeiko).

So is there a sporting aspect to aikido? Yes.

Is aikido a sport? No. Competition plays a relatively minor roll in the grand scheme of practice.

IMO of course.

stern9631 04-22-2005 08:25 AM

Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?
 
Is the spiral an idealized form that breaks down easily and looses its strength if not executed properly? Is there any room for error?


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