"Aikido instructor shared skills with soldiers, Steven Seagal"
Posted 2010-03-03 10:34:30 by Jun Akiyama
News URL: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?s...&article=68362 This article entitled "Aikido instructor has shared skills with soldiers, Steven Seagal" highlights Hiroshi Isoyama sensei (8th dan). From the article: "Isoyama recounted how he'd surprise the Americans with victories against men twice his size. He said his feats were so remarkable that U.S. Army doctors wanted to examine him to figure out how the smaller Japanese man was beating such larger men." ___________________ ~~~ To submit a news item to AikiWeb's front page, click here. ~~~ |
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There is a bit of a macho spin on things in this article but it's an interesting tribute. I think Stanley Pranin's interview on AJ gives a better view in sensei's own words.
http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=102 Carl |
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This is him right?
I didn't know there was a kids class in Iwama. Can you imagine being 12 and getting hands-on instruction from Ueshiba at that time? Must have been awesome. |
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It is my impression that there was ONLY a kids class in Iwama most of the time. The only people over 15 were visitors. |
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I agree with what Kaaru Ojisan said about the Stan Pranin article. As I read this one I immediately thought back to the Aikido Journal article. It is much more Aiki. Also, I think this one puts too much emphasis on his connection with Steven Seagall. The part about the army docs wanting to examine Isoyama Shihan was quite interesting though. I have met Isoyama Shihan a couple of times and and trained with him at only seminar but even in his current state, his Aikido is amazing. Jonathan, I am a little confused by your link, it appears to be a discussion about the All Japan Aikido Demonstration.
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I thought it was a story of training days in Iwama. My point was I'd always thought of a group of adults in Iwama, didn't know about the kids stuff. |
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Hi guys,
One thing I have learned about Aikido history, the way people say it was and the way it was are often very different. Of course, unless we have a time machine, there is no way to know exactly what happened. Iwama is and was a Japanese rural farming community. Anyone who was involved with the farming would not have been able to spare the time for much training. Saito Sensei worked for JR, I believe. He worked non-stop for a week or so and then took time off a week or so to be with O'Sensei. Hirosawa Sensei was a relative of Saito Sensei's. Another important element is that O'Sensei was considered an odd duck by the locals. In a rural farming community in Japan, that is the kiss of death. Remember, Morihei Ueshiba was not a local. In fact, he spoke with a strong Wakayama dialect that would have been difficult for the locals to understand. In my understanding, when O'Sensei was alive, there were a few people crazy for training (the sensei mentioned above) and a bunch of local kids. Iwama was largely used for training camps (gasshuku) by university clubs and Self-defense Forces clubs (via Isoyama Sensei). Also, some of the other Shihan stayed there for extended training, Shioda Gozo, Chiba Kazuo, etc. Of course, this is all my understanding derived from the sum total of my experience. Others with a different experience are naturally going to have a differing understanding. |
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I love aikido demos.
They are all uke. . . Which makes it funny that many of the "best" nage often have so much bravado. But, I guess, it's all part of the show. |
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What I really find disturbing are some of the comments on Youtube from people who seem to have an aikido background, both from people who think the demo is brutal to those who think it shows the true martial integrity of the art. Can't they tell what they're seeing? It's a demo and not really out of the ordinary for aikido with the exception of the heights uke is falling from (an Isoyama trademark from the various demo clips I've seen of him). |
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woah, woah, woah, settle down there, Carl. This is aikido, no thinking allowed. Please take your new-fangled analysis, with all of its logical thought processes, to some other corner of the interwebs. ;)
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I really like this sentence, to which I would add, " and we would still never be certain what really went on." As you likely are very aware of, the Hombu vs. Iwama attitude was and still is very strong. I believe that Chiba Sensei was playing into that. My claims are just that, mine and I certainly understand that others are going to have different ideas. My claims are based on cross-referencing other's claims and applying logic. I attended the 70 year anniversary gasshuku and was able to practice with and talk to a few old timers as well as listening to the many speeches. My logic application comes from my years of living in a community very much like Iwama as part of a farming family stretching back 18 generations (at least that is what my grandfather-in-law claims!). For example, I do not believe that many full time farmers would have had the time to train in any serious matter. As an example of the locals' attitude, there is an interview with Saito Sensei and how he first encountered O'Sensei. He says something like hearing about this strange old man. Everything thing else I have heard as well as applying my own experience jives with this. I do believe that Iwama has produced some excellent, wonderful Aikidoka. (Inagaki Sensei, in particular, was very kind to me.) I also believe that Iwama has a certain reputation to live up to and that many of these individuals had a part in making it as well as continuing it, even if certain truths have to be altered a bit. |
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So if someone was 12 when they entered the founder's dojo in 1949, can we really be certain that they were 13 in 1950? Or adult a few years later? What hours do farmers work (i.e.: did they work in the dark)? Did any of the deshi have other jobs? All these questions can be answered beyond a reasonable doubt. Your case on the other hand requires us to take a whole raft of things on trust in your opinion. Quote:
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No worries Charles and I am sorry if I dogged you with too many questions. You are quite entitled to your opinions and are under no obligation to justify them to me. This conversation would perhaps be better conducted over a drink in a nice Japanese establishment. Do send me a message if you find yourself in Iwama sometime.
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Absolutely, Carl. Thanks.
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