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Application.. Chains are everywhere and act like whips. They can also wrap around you and slap you unconscious if you try to block them. A thrown knife must be avoided with body pivoting or footwork. Yet the thrower is still closing upon you and is not yet committed to an angle of attack. Thus, there are two maii to be aware of. I trained most of my art for the last 20 years to apply to bodyguarding. Has anyone considered this? If you are protecting yourself, the dynamic sphere is fine and dandy. But if you are protecting your spouse and kids, that same sphere is likely going to drive the attacker into a loved one. Thus, I shortened my entries and kuzushi in all of the traditional techniques so I could make them applicable to 3rd party protection. I train Multiple Randori with 3rd party protection in mind. I am simply suggesting that we not only do more Randori; for it is a beautiful training platform, but to mix it up and challenge ourselves with modern realities. Namaste, Chris |
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Below is another form of Randori for police and military. Building entry team goes through a house while bad guys grab at their sex toys. Aiki using the tip of your gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIYF...e_gdata_player Hooyah Chris |
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I wouldn't mind some more in the times we're normally focusing on other things, just to keep the skill levels up. But then, I can never get enough randori. :cool: |
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Peter has mentioned differences in methods of randori geiko. Here's a brief description of how we randori in Jiyushinkai training.
Jiyushin randori consists of one person attacking (setting up a real conflict with strong intent), and if the answering technique is not successful, then countering techniques (brought about through intuitive, creative decision making processes) are made by each person until a technique happens that can not be countered. This practice is initially done in slow motion with both partners keeping the original rhythm and pace. Even at slow speed, it's assumed that we're going as fast as possible so that "speeding up" to get out of trouble is not a viable way of solving the problem at hand. It is essential in this practice that excessive force and speed not be the deciding factors in the success of the techniques. As the budoka become more skilled, the speed level can go as fast as possible. Randori must lead us past the seiteigata learning tools in kihon no kata into instantaneous intuitive, creative decision making of an infinite variety of techniques. Instead of reactive decision making, we learn proactive or creative decision making skills. Each person is trying 100% to attack and not get caught themselves while not really caring who catches the successful technique because both participants are learning and both are "winners" at all times. The idea is to develop a symbiotic competitive spirit of training that brings us to the true essence of the concept of takemusu aiki (the never ending flow of creative aikido that is appropriate for that instant). Students usually begin to randori at about sankyu level and it becomes around fifty percent of our practice. |
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You are right of course - you need to start somewhere (rules, definitions and tactics) but then very quickly you need to start stripping those things away. My point was not so much that you don't need to know the necessaries but to get better you need to get past that and just do lots of randori. |
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You said, "You are right of course - you need to start somewhere (rules, definitions and tactics) but then very quickly you need to start stripping those things away." That is so true. Traditional Randori is like an en vitro experiment. We must get past the fundamentals and then call into question tactics. I do not know of mass attacks in the real world that do not include some form of blunt or edged weapon. And these days, someone likely has a hidden pistol in them if they are gang related. Some ideas on tactics. 1. Go for the attacker who is wielding the most devastating weapon first. Take it from him and tactics change immediately. 2. When disarming him, the beauty of the throw is not as important as the disarm. Beware that centripetal forces are at play in big falls. I offer these two video clips as a case in which traditional throws against an opponent wielding a pistol May require some augmentation in technique. Look at throw #3 and #4. in #3, I intentionally loosen my connection to the Kite gaeshi technique (something I would not normally do), in order to create a whip that disarms the pistol. In technique #4 I am more concerned about making the perfect hiki otoshi that I forget to whip the gun away and am pulled if balance myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96JQh...e_gdata_player 3. Another issue is to know when to revert your knowledge of a weapon's weakness. So many people get stuck performing jujitsu or Aiki against a firearm without changing traditional methods to take advantage of the firearm's weaknesses. Semi-autos jam easily. Creat a type 3 malfunction and it becomes a club at best. You as Tori should know this - the opponent may not. This buy you many options for the next move as type 3 malfunctions take time to clear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gklVq...e_gdata_player 4. Long arms work differently than handguns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmbbY...e_gdata_player Be well, Chris |
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I respectfully disagree with you...I never know what technique I am going to do until I am doing it. Randori has nothing to do with thinking. Each moment is met from the center with total concentration on the conditions at hand. The techniques or non techniques arise out of the the attack and the position of the other ukes. Thinking about the future is a distraction from the now. Some ukes must be sidestepped and avoided as others are engaged and used as shields from other ukes. If a uke is just holding on, witrhout being dangerous they may be disregarded and dealt with after the more threatening ukes are dealt with. It all becomes clear with repeated practice and corrections as we go. |
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Unfortunately I am sitting in a country which rightly or wrongly (I have yet to make up my mind) bans YouTube.
I don't think randori in any of its forms has to reflect "real life" in that it is a training tool rather than the summit of Aikido.. Its main purpose is to free us from more stuctured training and expose us to a more chaotic environment. I have a similar view of several different aspects of Aikido - I try to avoid the "Aikido is" trap. Now the inclusion of weapons, going to ground, and any and all sorts of "fun variations" have other purposes in their own right. Did I mention they could be fun. Quote:
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Like the OP, I feel we don't practice aikido randori enough to improve it significantly. I suck at it :(
FWIW, the best randori training and performance I have seen, is from Haruo Matsuoka Sensei and his students. His dojo put out some videos showing footage of their randori practice. They are very, very demanding when training randori. The uke attack and chase the nage close to 100% speed and commitment -- they really want to pile up on nage. They are humble and mature enough to show failures on video, analyze it, and try to fix it. They keep training this way, and I believe they don't get Dan grades until they can pull it off; but when they do get it right, it's fantastic. I have not seen anybody else do this kind of work, at least at this level and with such quality of results. |
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We are all blessed/afflicted by it. Just don't let it fragment to where one member ceases to talk to the other members of the Board of Directors. That is when you go schitzo. Gassho Chris |
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Ma-ai, or rather zanshin tends to suddenly become useful. Peace.G. |
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I use a series of tools to teach critical distance against blunt and edged weapons. Once graduated from thebasic tools, I move to the replica sword to see if the glitter causes them to focus on the weapon rather than the gestalt and ranges. Then, to a real Katana or knife. Reactive ranging naturally Increases until they begin trusting their instincts again. Finally, a riding crop. It whips so fast, range must be completely instinctive. This prepares a person to fight on a dark wet night and not overly rely on vision. The crop's whipping sound gives you r ge for maii. Party on Chris |
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How do you survive? 1. Don't get hit. How do you not get hit? Move both feet. Follow the geometry of evasion. All attacks work on an arch and/or radius. PI is present. Trust it. It is a sacred geometry. 2. Don't get mesmerized by the moving glitter. It absorbs your attention and you get clocked from somewhere else. Plus, if you process through your eyes/brain, you are too slow. Feel movement like fish feel other fish in water. Move with the ebb and flow by way of your hara and you will not be too slow. 3. Do not stand double weighted. It is a stagnant kiss of death. It will cause you to use your eyes and brain, then you will have to shift to one foot. That is wasted time. The hara initiates movement best when you are primarily weighted on one foot. Just a start... Chris |
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Point 1 is different to me. On point 2, using hara rather than eyes, we are back to spiritual are we not? Point 3 I disagree with or don't see how. The main thing is though my reply to what I mean by spiritual ma-ai. We used to demonstrate a one inch punch or even one cm punch from such, different to the standard or more common way of doing it. The point is spiritual rules are higher harmonics of the physical yet you cannot understand them thinking physically. ie: If I told you to spiritually let go of something it doesn't then fall down. Now spiritual ma-ai I'll give you an example I feel you personally will get or at least find interesting. Think of sympathy. You may sympathise with someone and walk away carrying their problems. There I would say you didn't keep ma-ai. On the other hand, and much more effective and helpful is empathy. Empathise with another and you are being with them spiritually and yet keeping ma-ai. Good counselors are good at this. So spiritually you can be with the other and even be with them completely withou losing yourself. You still are you, not overwhelmed or overcome. Thus you can be the other person and yet remain yourself. This is still ma-ai. So in my Aikido for instance when you enter then obviously physically you are breaking ma-ai but if you maintain being with spiritually you are in fact maintaining ma-ai. The nearest I could say to this would be the oft said maintaining connection. Hope that explains sufficiently. Peace.G. |
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