Video of Tomiki Kenji sensei and Ohba Hideo sensei
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Can some of Tomiki fighters explain what sensei is doing in the first half of the video (looks like one person kata and kata with Ohba sensei), please? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPhG6XA2fL8 Please don't spam this thread with discussion on 'aiki'. |
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Here are a couple links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DF_Y6YbvnA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFgwdsEEvKM David |
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In two person kata uke is attacking with hand exended in front of him - is it a simulation of tsuki with a sword?
There are any reasons why uke s not out of balance before the throws? Thanks for the links, very interesting. |
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What is the difference between dosa, kata, and waza?
What does an instructor do with his uke when demonstrating dosa in front of a class with beginners, who are trying to learn very basic movement (not to mention left from right)? Best, Ron |
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I haven't seen that video in a long time. Thanks for posting a link to it. I find the open hand tsuki to the face very interesting. It reminds me a great deal of Koshiki-no-kata in Kodokan judo. This seems to make sense considering Tomiki sensei was a high ranked judoka. I'm sure he was familliar with Kito-ryu. It's like an interesting blend of Daito-ryu/aikido and Kito-ryu we are seeing. Ueshiba sensei was working on counters to Kito-ryu at least between 1930 and 1931 per Admiral Takshita's diary "Kon" (http://www.archbudo.com/fulltxt.php?...55001&refid=a). This is within the time frame Tomiki sensei was studying with Ueshiba sensei (http://www.aikidojournal.com/encyclopedia?entryID=704). Can anyone who knows more about Tomiki sensei and his aikido comment?
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I just shot a message to PeterR asking if he would be willing to share some of his understanding. I'm not sure if he will even get it since I haven't spoken to him in some time, but he would be a very good person to ask.
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In my opinion of course. Hope this helps. Best LC |
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Not sure what you want comments on exactly but we discussed Shishida's article above in the following threads. They may add some insight - http://aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15198 http://aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17184 Hope this helps. Best LC |
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Sorry for late replay, I was busy.
Yeah, I don't know much about Tomiki system, so thanks for all info. It was a little surprising, you guys you are using kata to teach. I'm a bit familiar with some judo kata(helping my wife), in their kata all details are very clearly exposed(you can always see unbalancing, real locks etc..even in slow motion). I perceived Tomiki sensei teaching very close to judo kata spirit. Do you have special training only for separate parts of technique (i.e. the entry to the techniques)? if yes, how it is done(also in kata way)? Concerning unsoku and tegatana dosa - I believe it is Tomiki sensei who first developed aiki taiso being in Russian prison right after II WW, are unsoku and tegatana dosa part of his aiki taiso exercises? |
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well, I don't think this kata is for beginners, but I may be wrong :D When I teach beginners, the very next thing (after teaching where is left leg and right leg), is how to unbalance the attacker. So I'm a bit sensitive about it, sorry..;) |
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Also, my impression of the video you referenced initially is that this was a video of Ohba and Tomiki executing aspects of the Shodokan training method, but it was not a step by step instructional video per se. Of course anyone who can properly read the Japanese text in the video can correct me. The 2-person kata shown from the handblade "thrust" is the Junanahon or Randori no Kata and represents 17 fundamental techniques that Tomiki believed represented the core of Aikido waza. All Aikido waza would be a variation of those 17 in some way. The original video you referenced only shows about 6 of the 17. This is a basic kata and is a major part of the kyu test syllabus. The entire official kata as done today looks like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPMNGTmcdc. Quote:
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Found this video very informative. Hope it helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZw-pw0U3sk I think it shows good examples of the gradual increase of resistance Tomiki used and describes in basic terms what the point of the practice is. |
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