O Sensei bokken
Hello Aikidoka's
For a long time I am looking for more information regarding this bokken (link below), but it seems that no one who has seen this bokken, or have some more photo. I even sent two e-mails to the respected Stan Pranin from Aikido Journal, but there is no answer from him I would be very grateful if anyone of you knows something more, however, the first replica I made according to this picture, but I would like to know more detail, so that next be even better, and more accurate measures of the original bokken, bokken is specific by one detail, which for me as a bokken maker quite intriguing. Regards, Petar http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg17/...pg&res=landing |
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Hello Petar, hope you are well.
Here is a photo of a weapons rack in Iwama, it is from "Traditional Aikido Vol. 4" by Saito Morihiro Sensei which was published in October 1974. The original is split over two pages and I "glued" them together. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f...apons-grey.jpg Hope this helps. |
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Interestingly in both images (for all I know, the bokken in the first is also present in the second) the swords don't have the distinct Iwama kissaki. I'd be interested to know when and why it was introduced.
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The photo was taken at the 2008 10th international Aikido congress, where there was also an exhibition in Tanabe with relics and photo's of O Sensei's life. Most of what was shown came from the Kumano Juku Dojo. This bokken was unusual big and heavy, more like a suburito. What is the specific detail that you are looking for? Tom |
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http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showpo...0&postcount=38 http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...t=20982&page=2 that in Iwama aikiken they don't treat the sword as a cutting instrument. Perhaps this is just one practitioner's opinion and it's not the general, more authoritative opinion -- I don't know since I'm not an expert in that style. From an "outside" perspective though, I can agree with it seeing how they use the weapon, and how having a "kissaki" (mimicking the real sword) is not that critical. I also read somewhere that the kissaki was removed after a training accident involving somebody's eye... :confused: |
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I have never heard of a koryu that didn't treat practice with a bokken as a safer substitute for practice with a shinken--i.e. you treat it as a shinken in every way, including drawing, using the edge to slice not strike, not putting your hand on the edge, and not using the edge to block. Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume O-Sensei had the same attitude. My experience with koryu is very limited tho, so I'm open to correction.
The story I heard about Iwama bokken is that they asked O-Sensei one day about a sword technique and he picked up a handy ax handle to demonstrate. So they made their bokken like ax handles. Probably a legend, but too good to check. |
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There are two things that the blunt kissaki of the Iwama bokken shape brings to mind for me: 1) Much safer if you accidentally thrust into your partner's body while training. 2) The bokken they use in Kashima Shinto ryu these days has the same tip, though it is not curved. I assume they have been using that form of bokken for some time. |
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Another picture of the founder with same/similar bokken.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...YmyPJy0liipFm0 |
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https://picasaweb.google.com/sorokod...baWithWeapons# of the founder with weapons. Currently I have only one with something which looks like a shinken. I'd be interested to see more photos of founder with a steel sword. |
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That's just speculation but regardless, I can't credit the lack of photographic evidence of Ueshiba wielding a sword as proof that Aikiken is a system that uses a short staff or club to explore the principles of aiki. |
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Torii sori (3/4" to 1") makes for easier drawing. http://meiboku.info/guide/form/sori/index.htm |
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Kiyoshi Yamazaki and Arnold. |
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thank you so much you win one free bokken :) , very nice picture, it will help, long time I didn't visit this forum, work on some new weapons, weapons for the exhibition, etc. also if you look on my aikido blog I make first replica of O Sensei bokken :) send me mail for your new free bokken ;) |
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Sorry I'm late with the response, I'm very glad that someone still knows more about this bokken, and thank you for share that information with me and others. Somehow I felt that was a little bigger bokken, because that I make my replica a bit "gained" in relation to other aikido bokken that I usually make, you could see more pic. on my aikido buki blog, if you interested I could send you this replica, just live me PM :) ah yes, about details we could discuss also on PM Regards, Petar |
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Well done you have a very good "eye" for detail, this is it ;) :) |
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