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this really is just winding down is it? maybe just flailing in every direction.
about the assumption, I just though it reflected something important; I don't think >= 5th dan imply ahtleticism or fighiting ability though at some point these people may have been both. Since in the beginning a question was aked about the appropriateness of awarding kyu ranks without a formal test I really don't see where the unethical combat claims got involved. the boxing story was an illustration; in short it talks about some poor guy who died recently in a bout though posssibly not from being knocked in the head , but from in general being a poor boxer yet still allowed to fight professionally. (record 0-27).. in any case it had happened 2 days ago only. didn't have to stretch very hard to find a less romantic vision of boxing at hand, in any case a digression. In any case somehow people manage to keep on testing (or not) and keep on training and enjoying aikido. Looking at other people instead of oneself seems to be a sure way to stop enjoying aikido.. |
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Jakob,
Let's say you hired me to be your basketball coach. So, I took you out to a beach, gave you a volleyball and began training you in playing volleyball. Would you keep me as a coach? Running and jumping in sand is more difficult than on a basketball court. A volleyball "pass" is sort of like a basketball jump shot. I could even have you play a basketball game, and even if you should do well, would you still keep me as a basketball coach? Of course not (at least, I hope not). Fundamentally, I would be teaching you a different game --- volleyball --- not basketball. That's the point I'm making. If students are never subjected to anything that has some correlation between self-defense or combat, it's disingenous to suggest the training perpares them for it. Regards, Paul |
Paul, sorry, but you've lost me a bit here - are you saying aikido doesn't prepare you for combat or aikido with only the kata element present (no sparring etc.)?
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Is that more clear? Regards, Paul |
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*sigh* OT again... |
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Paul, yep more clear, thanks. I also almost agree with you. The "almost" is because while I think for a good grounding in self defence the combative issues you mentioned should be in your training, I don't believe even kata-only training is a total waste of time with regards how you would react in a "real" (hate that term) situation.
Even with cooporative dancing ukes, the fact that you are used to working with both some form of attack and moving with the emphasis on placing your partner in peril will be of some use in the hypothetical real thing. I agree, using only kata training is not an efficient method of training for combat, but I don't think it is as divorced as you're implying (or at least shouldn't be). The area I feel it's more lacking is that it doesn't help with the mindset you need, rather than the movements practiced. |
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What did Kano settled more than what a cagefighter settles today? What has that got to do with aikido? |
I realize that this kind of discussion has been around and will continue to be around) since the birth of aikido.
It seems that it will only lead to frustration for some people, so I will also bow out of this one. Train hard! Have fun doing it! |
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