Adrenal Stress Training
I just got back from a very intense weekend of training at the RMCAT facility in Lake George, Colorado.
Has anyone else done any adrenal stress training, and if so, how did it affect your aikido training after that? It's just so soon after for me to absorb it all, and to see how it will effect my training. But one thing for sure is it will have a definite impact. I'm really curious to hear how others have put this experience and knowledge into their aikido training! If you don't know what I'm talking about, you can go to this website to see what it is: http://www.rmcat.com/ Regards, |
I've never been to that class but from the webpage
it sounds like exactly what I have been concerned about for a while: MA skill/experience does not = self defense skill. It is probably really important to be able to deal with fear and adrenalin rush. Obviously this post contains no answer to the question, but I have a question of my own: Not being able to afford the $1000 for the class, and not being willing to go pick fights to get comfortable with adrenalin rushes, is the $30 book by this guy (on the webpage in the above post) a good idea? I am wondering how much good the book would do me. Thanks.. --JW |
Brian how is your aikido different now that you have taken the class?
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...I read both of Peyton Quinn's book before I took the course ("Real Fighting" & "A Bouncers Guide to Barroom Brawling", You can get *BOTH* these books from Amazon for about $30), they're really an eye opener! I've incorporated info from both books into the aikido classes I teach, which is easy to do, since Mr. Quinn utilizes many aikido moves in his defenses. (He also speaks very highly of aikido throughout the books!) ...After reading "Real Fighting: Adrenalijne Stress Conditioning Through Senario Based Training" I was convinced I needed to give his course a try! ...which took quite a bit of convincing with a $1,000 price tag! The book is very infomative on the adrenal dump and it's effects on the body and your ability (...or lack there of) to defend yourself under it's effects. So, from an educational stand point, the book is great! Regards, |
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...You know, it's just so soon after to tell for sure, but I don't really see my aikido being *any* different after taking that course ...BUT one thing for sure is, I'm *different* inside now! It's hard to explain, but that course has a life changing effect! I came away knowing that if I'm ever attack, I won't just freeze up and take a beating! That course has been so fine tuned & perfected that they know just how to 'reprogram' your subconscious, primal, instinctual mind to just take over and use all that adrenaline to fight off an attacker! ...It's a TOTAL RUSH!!! Regards, |
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Now, interestingly, his knowing in that regards allowed him to actually practice stuff that other's would be uncomfortable with. For instance, during a multi-art seminar he got up during his part and said Aikido is love and did some non-technique opening stuff. Everyone else thought he was crazy and I have to admit that I shared the sentiment. I'm convinced that certainty, at least for him, allowed him to be this way. The knowing allowed him to play in realms that less confident folks fear to tread. Am I totally off-base here, or is it possibly a similar thing? |
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Daunted at the cost, I got my copies through Interlibrary Loan and was quite satisfied in taking notes rather than highlighting and making marginal notes. |
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BTW: by "GO" I mean not necessarily fists flying, it could mean call the police and run away. |
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No, you're not off base at all, you hit the nail on the head here! RMCAT taught me that I can flip that switch, which before then, I didn't even know I had! The senarios they put you thru over-ride your previous 'programming' and show you how to go from zero to 100% in an instant. It's an incredible course! So what I learned won't take the place of my aikido training, just augment it! They're not teaching a martial art there, they're teaching you how to operate on a very primative level, not allowing you conscious mind to go into denial in an attack situation and freeze up you whole body. Essentially you're on auto-pilot once that switch is flipped! ...it's definitely GO TIME! Regards, |
Hi Brian,
Can you describe some of the exercises and such that they put you through over the weekend? What were the other folks who took the course like? Were they martial artists, officers, military people? -- Jun |
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I'll answer this one first, I'll describe the exercises in another posting. OK, there were 7 students, 6 males & 1 female. Ages varied, mid-20's to mid-40's. Two I'd consider serious martial artists (one studied Tae Kwon Do, the other Aikido [me] ;^). The female did not study any martial art at all, along with two of the males. The other two males dabble in a variety of things, but the way they explained it, it sounded like a tae bo kinda thing. No military or police in the class ...just a bunch of civilians! The class usually consists of 16 students ...since it was so small, we got to do extra senarios ...so how cool is that! |
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The course is roughly divided into two catagories: 1) Verbal (about 1/3 of the course) 2) Combat (about 2/3 of the course) Verbal consists of a guy 'woofing' on you, in which you have to de-escalate the confrontation, being assertive, but not aggressive, and definitely NOT showing any fear! (You can FEEL fear, you just can't SHOW it!) Combat consisted of various attack senarios: Front, rear, tackled from the front & rear, on the ground face up, on the ground face down, and combinations of all of the above! You know, I actually found the verbal to be the hardest! |
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I'm very interested right now in different and better ways to approach this. |
Let me just add my voice to the chorus of those saying, "Brian, Brian, tell us more!" Must be quite a rush being able to go full-on at someone's head and groin. :)
At any rate, I haven't read any of Mr. Quinn's books; how does the material he presents compare to Marc "Animal" MacYoung's? Go on, give me another reason to keep Amazon.com afloat... Regards, |
Peyton Quinn
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Now that's a bit earthy for most Aikidoka but I really liked it. |
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I found Peyton to be one of the most interesting martial artisits that I've EVER talked to. He & I had many conversations, one of them going pretty late, in which everyone else had long since turned in. Then in the morning, while I was enjoying the morning sun & breeze on the porch, he came out and joined me (with a glass of OJ for me), and we continued the discussion. He truly respects aikido and loves dicussing some of the deeper aspects of the art and it's philosophy. ...I actually began to feel guilty due to all the extra attention he gave me throughout the weekend. I guess we just 'clicked'! Regards, |
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...OK, how about I talk a bit on how I felt aikido gave me an advantage in these senarios that I didn't see in the other students, hopefully I won't give too much away for those who plan on attending some time soon. In one exercise, you had to get by a knife weilding assailant who was between you and the exit (Portal of Safety Senario). I ended up being the ONLY student who didn't get cut. I had a foam bat in my hand, and when I felt the attacker had come too close (broken my 'boundry of safety') I would strike the knife hand. Here 'mai-ai' & 'tai sabaki' came into play. I was able to automatically maintain enough space so as not to get cut, moving & striking back simultaneously ...just like in any other aikido exercise! The other students didn't seem to have this ability ...the either froze up or tried to back pedal, which got them 'cut'. In the frontal attack senarios, I found that 'irimi' was a key ability. Again, the assailant broke my boundry, I moved slightly offline and entered with a palm heal strike to his face, stopping his momentum, allowing me to land other strikes. The other students did one of three things: froze, back pedalled, or pre-emptively struck the attacker, with back pedalling being the reaction used by most. In the grabs from behind, I was able to atemi or break his grab, just like in a standard aikido class. Everyone seemed to do well with this one ...by this time everyone had enough mat time to get used to being attacked, so the differences in ability began to disappear. So, my aikido experience did give me an initial advantage that the others didn't seem to have! Regards, |
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You know, I've been doing the exact same thing in my classes recently. Working on 'checking' the initial punch or kick, rather than instantly going into one of the standard aikido moves. If the attack is a 'sucker punch', about all you can do is check it, then utilize tai sabaki to recover mai-ai, THEN be ready to execute a technique on a subsequent attack. It's had an interesting effect on the students (...*LOL*...or it could just be me wanting to see this), the students seem to be more relaxed while doing technique, some have even mentioned it to me. They've said that they don't get as nervous while practicing due to the fact that they don't EXPECT to execute a technique on the first strike! They feel they'll be able to check that strike, then do something after that. Let me know if you see this also with your students! |
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I've only read one of the "Animal's" books, "Taking it to the Streets", which was very good ...and VERY similiar to Mr. Quinn's books, except Mr. Quinn's techniques are a bit simpler due to his belief that gross muscle movements are all you're going to be able to do in a sudden attack situation. Their concepts and philosophy about self defense are essentially identical. If you're interested in self defense technique, read "A Bouncers Guide to Barroom Brawling", which is chalk full of technique, but if you're more interested in the physiology & psychology of being attacked, then "Real Fighting" would be a good choice. But be careful with that one, it's hard to read that one and NOT end up dying to take the RMCAT course! Regards, |
Brian
This sound awesome! I wish i could afford this class. I plan on picking up his book at the libarly later this week. Also there is a article from Black Belt magazine on http://www.rmcat.com/ . It goes though the guy's day by day routine if you want more info. Also Brian, i looked at your profile and saw that your dojo is called Aikibujutsu. I posted not to long ago with some questons about bujutsu. My sensie says we study Aikido Bujutsu but many people says that the name does not make sense. Well this is off topic so maybe ill email you or you can reply in the regarding bujutsu fourm in the general menu. Thanks :ki: |
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There is a lower price alternative to the RMCAT course, that is if you're lucky enough to live near a dojo that offers a "FAST DEFENSE" course with RMCAT trained 'Bulletmen" (attackers). Go to: www.fastdefense.com -click on the "Training Locations" area and see if there's a place close to you! Bill Kipp is the guy who trains ALL the bulletmen, and he's also the guy who runs the classes at RMCAT, under the watchful eye of Mr. Quinn. Quote:
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hmm....
Brian,
The websites only have pictures with one person or one group wearing the bulletman suit. Does training progress to the point where both attacker(s) and defender wear the suit? If not, why not? Curious, Paul |
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Another reason is that the helmet & groin protection of the suit is fitted to the individual bulletman and cannot be used by anyone else but him. These components are literally& physically molded around the guy. Plus, each suit cost $1,200. (I asked ALOT of questions while I was there!) Yet another reason is that these bulletmen are highly trained at taking this type of abuse. They say that they can still feel the shots being delivered and the only thing keeping them from being injured is their training. The suit alone is NOT enough. I guess it's a variation of aikido's ukemi, just applied differently. Regards, |
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I've been puzzling over it all week. |
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...RANDORI with BULLETMEN!!!! ...I'm THERE! You can do all the stuff you wouldn't dare do to uke in the dojo!!! |
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