Yoseikan katas
Hi all. There are a couple of katas in the Yoseikan that we've never been taught. I'm talking about the Kansetsu Waza no Kata and the Shime Waza no Kata.
Because the legacy of Mochizuki Sensei is so much spread over his different students, who in turn created their own systems, it's difficult to know who learned what from Sensei. Fact is that I've never been exposed to these two katas. If I could ask for a wish... could some of you enlighten me on these two katas? Like what waza are included? Sorry if this is too much asking, but my curiosity's growing over the years... Thanks and best regards! |
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Dear Alejandro,
when do you get in touch with these katas? |
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Kansetsu waza are armbar techniques---against the elbow. There are many ways to get an armbar.
Shime waza are chokes from in front, behind or from the side. I love shime waza the best. Tomiki Aikido uses these techniques very often. I am not aware of any other style that uses these techniques. Have a good day. |
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dear Alejandro, I can't answer now (and I don't know if the answer is right at all) but I'll provide some hypotesis as soon as possible
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I can tell you that these were two serious kata for Mochizuki Sensei and we would do them from time to time. I never thought of them as being on the level of such kata as Hyori no Kata and Tai Sabaki no Kata, but they were important to Sensei. They are included in Nihon Den Jujutsu. Do you know anyone with a copy? The katas are performed as kata, with uke resisting only at specified times and in specific ways. Otherwise, he is compliant. Each form is a chain of techniques with tori applying one, then moving or moving uke and applying another, then moving and applying another so there's not as much sense of action/reaction. These katas are more like a physical list of techniques. Kansetsu Waza no Kata may have more of the action/reaction and it presents techniques to some degree in order of ease of moving from one to the next and also as evolutions of the previous technique, such as bend the hand inward, then bend the hand outward, do shita ude garame the switch to ue ude garame, juji-gatame with one leg over, then with both legs over and things like that. Shime Waza no Kata is just a chain, ordered by convenience of moving from one to the next but there's not much sense of switching from one to the next because uke tries to counter: each of these techniques is a finishing technique and you get very effectively choked time after time after time when doing uke for this. But it doesn't seem to do any harm. If you don't overdo it, I guess. Hope that's of some help. Best to you. David |
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Dear fellows,
I haven't much more information in addition to David's ones. Now I speculate about the origins of these kata. Probably they were created in recent times. The fact could be corroborated by their presence in Nihon den Jujutsu but in no other Mochizuki sensei's text. In addition these katas were ideated more to remember techniques arranged in series than to transmit some priciples (like in Hyori no kata or Tai Sabaki no kata). I think they are important, but in a lesser way than the main katas and this can be justified by the fact that all the techniques were also taught as separate in the more conservative approach of the old Yoseikan Aiki |
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Thank you both! If any of you ever hear of a copy of Nihonden Jujutsu I can lay my hands on, please let me know!
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I also am interested in a copy.
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I guess you must be training with Sugiyama Sensei down there in Hamamatsu. Best to all. David |
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Hello again Alex. I'll ask my teacher if I can scan a copy of his version. I don't know if he'll let it out of his site, but I will ask. I also may have some video you would be interested in. I'll get back to you about it. Happy landings.
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Thanks a lot for the help! |
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No worries, my friend. I want a copy for myself anyway. Give me a couple of days and I'll get back to you. Later.
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My teacher had hours of Yoseikan aikido, karate, kobodu and demos on old video reels. Some really priceless footage. We had it all converted to VHS in the 90s but I think those tapes and his copy of Nihonden jujitsu were all thrown away when he died.
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Yes a big loss. Once he became ill his family took over his house and possessions so there was nothing we could do.
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Hello David! Yes, Sugiyama sensei is my teacher along with Namiki Sensei
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Best to you. David |
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A year ago I do not see Murai sensei.Ele is very old and not very good health.
It really is a pity that he does not have its recognition. http://dic.nicovideo.jp/v/sm2000864 Video with Murai sensei and Sugiyama sensei |
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I sure would love to see him again. Thanks for posting that. David |
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Cool video. I've heard really good things about Murai Sensei. Anyone care to translate?
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Dear fellows,
here in Europe we're waiting for the 40th anniversary of the ANAMJ. There will be three days with Kenmotsu sensei and I hope collecting information about other senior members of Seifukai, expecially Murai sensei. I'll let you know any news. Carniel sensei often speaks about Murai sensei and the reports are the same of Mr Orange's. Thanks for the video. Murai sensei is amazing |
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