Aikido in Tight Quarters (eg an Elevator)
Does Aikido teach how to defend yourself in tight quarters like an elevator?
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IMHO Aikido principles and techniques including real full power atemi work in any environment. Imagine what you could do in an elevator using your Aikido training in a life or death struggle. Imagine what Steven Seagal would do in that situation to stay alive and you get the idea.
By the way, my Aikido training and my training in Military Police tell me to always evaluate the situation before I get into the elevator and when to get out of the elevator when others get on it. ZANSHIN at its finest! Doc :cool: |
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Steven Seagal would have a hard time in an elevator because he wouldnt have a glass window to throw somebody through. :uch: In Willy Wonka's elevator he would kick ass though.:D
Seriously though. I once had a minor altercation with a drunken judoka in an elevator. He was somebody I new and generally could get along with. He got a bit belligerent and tried to get me in a head lock. I was able to get hold of his wrist and apply kote gaeshi. It worked. I guess atemi, getting a lock in, getting somebody down and then generally sitting on him untill the doors open so you can make a break is the best way to go. The most Aikido I could get out of it anyway. |
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wonder if they have anything for plane, train and automobile. :D |
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Awww stop it!! |
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Perhaps I should start a new thread.:D |
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I got smashed into a newspaper machine by four rowdy young men on a tight street corner one afternoon.
Hmmm, I wonder if they're still reminiscing dreamily about a quaint fall day some years ago when a girl in a peach colored t-shirt handed them their asses wrapped in a bow. Or maybe they caught a wiff of the big word Aikido printed across the front of my t-shirt and joined systema to learn to beat those brutal aikido people.....hmmmmm. |
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Funny stuff. |
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Limit yourself to one tatami and figure it out. Dye Sensei has a nice package on it. |
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Next time some one is squeezing or has squeezed your brains out let me know.......:D |
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Shades of Gene Labelle and a certain Steven whatsis name? :D :o :D |
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Regards Tony |
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To me, it is not an issue of "aikido", it is an issue of situational training. Have you practiced under those conditions? If you are asking the question, then I assume the answer is no, otherwise you would already have answered your own question because you had trained in a phone booth, or an approximation of one!
The difference is not the aikido, but the conditions imposed by the environment that determine how it will work. You've simply got to train with those constraints and factors in place if it is important to you. Aikido, as taught by most is designed to teach principles, which are universal. Though they are universal principles, that will work in most every situation, that does not mean that you can simply walk into any situation and apply them yourself! Prinicples are universal, but the CONDITIONS in which you apply them aren't! Therefore you must go out and keep adjusting those conditions in order to really understand practical application (if this is important to you). Some (i'd say most) are happy simply studying the prinicples of aikido. Some of us are also concerned with application in various types of scenarios. For the latter, there is no substitute for actually training under that pressure with those conditions imposed. |
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What you are talking about is what bjj players would call a standing guillotine choke or as you pointed out it could be called kubi jime. Honestly, if I had someone in that position and they started reaching for my boys, i would either a) pull guard and finish the choke then play river dance on their face, or b) start kneeing them in the chest repeatedly until they stopped trying to grab my boys. At least in the two instances where this happened those were the approaches I took (minus the riverdance). The best way to approach t his would be to defend the choke first, then escape. So you need to break the posture of the person choking you (assuming you already failed at stopping him from securing the choke with something like a sankyu, strike, throw or kotageshi). the easiest way to do this is to reach over his back pull him down while pushing on his knee with your other hand. Now that you are safe from the choke (and your hand is on his knee to help stop you from being kneed into unconsciousness, you can now start to worry about how to escape. But that is a different project altogether. The attack to the groin might work, or it might just tick off the person choking you into oblivion...and THAT is a bad bad thing to do. It's much better to defend the problem, then escape. It's even better to defend before the problem even exists and never get put in the choke in the first place...but you can't always control what happens :-) |
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No rules in the street I'm afraid!! |
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I have people try to test this stuff from time to time. It never ends how they expect and it really is disheartening for me. |
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Greg Steckel |
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Take Care Tony |
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never tried in an elevator. i usually use the stairs. i have tried in the shower though. i would say stick to kokyu and irimi not so much tenkan. at least it didn't work out so well for me. LOL
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