A Judo that Incorporates Kendo: Jigoro Kano's Ideas and Their Theoretical Development
Shishida Fumiaki article about Kano's interest on Kendo.
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I think the in the olden days (pre WWII) a Kendoka was allowed to continue the match without the shinai, emty handed.
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http://kenshi247.net/blog/2012/02/02/shinai-kyogi/ http://www.auskf.info/main/articles.htm People tend to focus on the grappling aspects of pre-war kendo such as choking out aite with a do, or ripping off the men, but seem unaware that were whole sets of waza which were more or less discarded. Getting back to the original topic, you will find a number of pre-war teachers who state that kendo and judo were two sides to the same coin. |
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This is very interesting to me. We did lot's of bokken sparring this summer. We wrestled and used bokken to hit each other, it was very fun and very revealing. Lot's of classical Jujutsu/Aikido techniques would pop up, it was a joy to see!
More experimentation needs to be done in this area! |
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Perhaps this is also the origin of no-kiai in Aikikai and Ki Aikido? |
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More about the "Budo Ban" in post-war Japan:http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_1202.htm |
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Haga style kendo, of which you can find a bunch of videos on youtube shows some of what is like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnK1Sw7HuI Many modern kendoka gasp in horror when they see videos like that as it isn't idealized clean technique, but seem to fail to grasp that it is mostly when you remove the ability to perform "rough" techniques, you wind up with refined, unchaotic matches. Keeping those elements in play make it difficult to have "refined" matches unless you are at a really high level. Its like watching point karate vs MMA. On the otherhand, the restrictive ruleset does allow for easier practice and development of understanding seme and developing kizeme. |
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Thanks for the links. Sounds very interesting!
Is there much film footage of this early kendo? Pat |
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Just noticed your previous post with the youtube link as well. Thanks! Pat |
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The first kendo motion picture - from 1897: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9SDF05nX0
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Two things.
1. Fighting with swords, turns into Kumi uchi, fall down in front of the guys in front of you, then they hit you with swords. GREAT! 2. Crazy guy running around with a Kasari Gama, PERFECT! |
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:-D |
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Hi Lars,
I think the guy is not drinking but blowing a horagai. |
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Ok.. anyway nice clip, thanks ! :-D |
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Thanks Demetrio, you are very good at finding links to great sources. I thought this quote on page 227 was very interesting:
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There's more about this relation to Yagyu-shinkage-ryu in "The Process of Forming Aikido and Japanese Imperial Navy Admiral Isamu Takeshita: Through the analysis of Takeshita's diary from 1925 to 1931", also by Shishida. |
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