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Maarten De Queecker 08-20-2009 03:49 AM

Shocking video: karate black belt almost beats man who does not wnt to fight to death
 
The video itself is pretty old but:

link


This is just appalling.. I really have no words for this. I'm disgusted.

Edit: bullshido.net is pretty much on to this.

Flintstone 08-20-2009 03:51 AM

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Hijos de mala puta.

CarlRylander 08-20-2009 05:09 AM

Re: Shocking video: karate black belt almost beats man who does not wnt to fight to d
 
It's not THAT bad. There's not much blood. Worse could happen to anybody on the street and often does.

I know one Taekwondo bloke who had his nose broken three times whilst getting his green belt.

Maarten De Queecker 08-20-2009 05:17 AM

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Erm.. pretty harmless person got beaten while he was already down and having repeatedly said he didn't want to fight. Please watch it with sound.

CarlRylander 08-20-2009 05:22 AM

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I wouldn't say he didn't want to fight, initially. OK, you shouldn't kick a man when he's down, but how often does it happen in the street? I've seen Hapkido videos where one follows up a pin or a throw with a punch while someone is on the ground.

CarlRylander 08-20-2009 05:25 AM

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Of course, Aikidoists should behave better, but you should be aware that it could happen to you. I've had my head stamped on when I was on the floor and surrendering.

DonMagee 08-20-2009 07:38 AM

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Not that bad!!!

That was attempted murder!

The man was out cold then was repeatably stomped on the head. Severe head trauma like that can cause brain damage or death. That's not getting roughed up with some broken bones, that is his skull. If that guy lived, he was lucky.

When a man is unconscious and you start stomping on his head there is only one reason you are doing it, you want to kill him. Charges should be brought on the man in question for attempted murder (or murder if the guy died from his injuries).

They jumped a guy who was obviously off his rocker and he fought back (at this point you could say mutual combat as he did not try to flee) and then continued to fight after he conceded defeat and was trying to leave (assault and battery), then after he was out cold and unable to defend himself he was repeatedly stomped on the skull until blood was running out of his nose and mouth (a very bad sign) and his body was limp (attempted murder). At that point they dragged him out and he left a pool of blood followed by a trail of blood all the way to the outside. I believe that if he would of beaten that karataka that the instructor and other students would have jumped him and gang beat him into the ground. In fact you can see the other students help the karataka when they force him into the back corner. This is what leads to him going out.

For anyone who thinks that was minor, would you want to train in a school where sparring matches don't stop just because one person is out cold? Would it be acceptable in your school to ignore taps and just break bones or choke guys out in kata? These guys are thugs and criminals, nothing more. They deserve nothing better then a nice place behind bars to practice their defense against people their own size. Yes, people punch or kick downed opponents all the time. It happens in MMA (pride face stomps for the win!). The difference here is that he was out cold when he was getting face stomped. There is a very good chance that man suffered a brain injury from those stomps. His breathing changed, his body went from a stiff out to a limp out, and a poster on bullshido noticed he might of started to become 'erect' which is a very bad sign (it indicates a spinal injury). I also think he started to convulse before going limp.

Well adjusted responsible adults would not of stood for that. They would have called the police when the guy showed, not pick a fight with him. And those watching the fight are at fault for not leaving or attempting to stop the fight. In short, everyone in that video is not worthy of the title of human.

Joe Bowen 08-20-2009 07:42 AM

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I agree with Don. That is sinister.

Hogan 08-20-2009 07:55 AM

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The older instructor, Billie Joe (he also goes by Bobby Joe), is selling his plane:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/clsfdspecs/792879

That sort of behavior sickens me. On other threads from other sites, this update is given:
"The 6 people that were a part of this have closed their youtube accounts as well as their facebook and myspace accounts. As the bullshido community found out more about them all of them went into hiding. At one point Bill Joe Blythe(the teacher at the incident) made a post on the Bullshido site saying that their isnt anything anyone can do at this point intime. Later his Ip number was traced. I think that community means business, considering a good number of them are police officers and lawyers."

lbb 08-20-2009 08:05 AM

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Oh, those horrible awful violent karate people, not like us peaceful enlightened aikidoka.

gdandscompserv 08-20-2009 08:11 AM

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I hope some attorneys will offer pro-bono help to the victim. A healthy lawsuit is in order here.

salim 08-20-2009 08:14 AM

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One word, "THUGS."

Maarten De Queecker 08-20-2009 09:07 AM

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Quote:

Ricky Wood wrote: (Post 238320)
I hope some attorneys will offer pro-bono help to the victim. A healthy lawsuit is in order here.

I don't know.. It happened 25 years ago. Here in Belgium, such things get statute-barred after 20 years. Anyhow props to the bullshido community (never thought that I would ever say that) for tracking down those people. They sure mean business. The fact that they are deleting their facebook accounts etc. means that they actually are guilty.

gregstec 08-20-2009 09:21 AM

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absolutely criminal -

Rabih Shanshiry 08-20-2009 09:43 AM

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That was utterly disgusting and vile. I hope the guy lived after that -- there was a pretty big pool of blood accumulating under his head.

Those guys will get their's one day. Karma is a b-----.

Hogan 08-20-2009 11:21 AM

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Someone posted another update on another site:

"... left a voicemail with the cold case detective at PWC PD, but I did speak to an Officer Humphreys at Dumfries PD. He was sent a link to the video, possibly by another Bully, and told me that the department is looking into the incident. He told me that the current chief of police for Dumfries PD was with PWC PD in 1984 and might have first-hand knowledge of the incident, or at least know someone who did. He said the chief was out of town on vacation but that he would definitely look into the matter when he returned and would find out if the incident had already been investigated by PWC PD as they would have had jurisdiction back in 1984. Judging by the conversation I had with the dispatcher and Officer Humphreys, this video appears to be the talk of the department, which I would think is a good thing.

As far as prosecution goes, the Dumfries PD will forward its findings to the PWC DA's office and the DA will determine if there is sufficient evidence to file charges...."

mathewjgano 08-20-2009 01:10 PM

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yeah...that's pretty pathetic. What more can really be said beyond what Don did? I'm betting the big bad-ass got his ego hurt when the other dude didn't get handled like he thought he would...stumbling a bit probably didn't help it much either. Anyway, i hope those chumps get what they deserve...that's seriously messed up.

ninjaqutie 08-20-2009 01:44 PM

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I didn't think it was that bad... until the end! That is just aweful! That was above and beyond what was called for. Now, I must say that I didn't listen to it with sound, so I have no idea as to what was said or agreed to.

As an aside, in my aikijitsu class, we were always taught to finish an opponent. By this I mean that after a throw or technique, we always followed up with something else (a punch to the ribs, knee to the groin, etc). This takes that a bit far though.... uck.

mathewjgano 08-20-2009 01:59 PM

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Quote:

Ashley Carter wrote: (Post 238354)
I didn't think it was that bad... until the end! That is just aweful! That was above and beyond what was called for. Now, I must say that I didn't listen to it with sound, so I have no idea as to what was said or agreed to.

The sound doesn't do much except make the criminals look worse.

Josh Reyer 08-20-2009 01:59 PM

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At first I thought, "Jeez, a real life John Kreese of the Cobra-kai." But my blood turned cold at the words, "Drag him out the back door." My God, I try to be a sympathetic person, but that "sensei" and his black belt need to be practicing their karate in jail for a long time. Had Blythe been emotionally discombabulated I might have chalked it up nerves and stress from the incident, but he was as cool and cold as a reptile. And then the cold recording of the blood trail. There is only one word in the English language to describe that, one as old as the language itself: evil.

And this wasn't even an on-the-up dojo sparring challenge. The man talked about demonstrating kata or some moves, and only took to fighting after the black belt attacked him without any provocation. I'm almost wondering if Carl saw the same video everyone else did.

gdandscompserv 08-20-2009 03:47 PM

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There is speculation that the date given by the narrator may be incorrect, or even given for the sole purpose of protecting his own arse through the statute of limitations.

There was a homeless/transient perhaps drug addicted woman that wondered into my dojo after class one day. Upon seeing us in our Gi's she said, "Karate? I know karate." She then proceeded to perform some type of "kata" that involved revealing her pantiless bottom half. My 15 year old son was with me at the time.:eek: I kindly escorted her out of the dojo as we were closing. I felt more like buying her some clothes than I did beating here senseless. And in fact if I would have had some money on me I would have given her some. Really, Bobby Blythe gives Marines and budoka a VERY bad name. My wish is that he rots in hell.:grr:

Walter Martindale 08-20-2009 03:54 PM

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Maybe both of them (the "sensei" and his thug) have met up with street justice... It would be a good thing... "Hi - I'd like to show some kata." "OK, let's start with a kick in the crotch."
a**holes... If they didn't meet street justice, I hope they met up with the real justice system. As Don said, that wasn't a dojo demo or even a dojo challenge, that was at the very least attempted murder.
In Canuck land it would be called assault with intent or something like that.
Walter

ChrisHein 08-20-2009 06:36 PM

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While teaching class, with the door open I have, more then one evening had a mentally handicapped person wonder in and tell me about how they were a martial arts expert.

I have never had even the slightest urge to harm them, or put them in harms way. I wouldn't ask them to address the class, or to try and put them down by asking them to show me their martial prowess. This alone is unbecoming of a martial artist.

Further, I would not allow someone who actually asked for it, to take a beating like that in my school, little lone someone asking that it be stopped. It's very unbecoming of a martial artist.

To compound matters, the Karate "black belt" shown beating up the young man is not much better at fighting, then a mentally challenged person. He shows no fighting ability, and no self control. Very unbecoming of a martial artist.

Beyond whatever moral issues you may have with what is happening, the whole encounter shows a complete lack of martial integrity.

Buck 08-20-2009 07:53 PM

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This is a testament to why martial arts should not be taught to just anyone, and why character is so important. That dojo was sickening, and pathetic, lacking any and all character of any of the individuals. The sensei is not worthy to all himself anything thing other then a low-life scum. His students are no better. The are all a disgrace as humans, and don't deserve to be call martial arts. Under no circumstances was that dojo's actions justified. A clear indication of Blythe's poor training, and judgement. And his lack of understanding of martial arts.
:mad: :disgust:

The mentally challenged man faired well to a point, against the hack so called black belt. A poor excuse of a man simply no better than a poorly trained attack dog.

The criminal acts just piled up. The fight was allowed to go too far, no medical aid was rendered to the injured, or any regard to the injured, the injured was dragged out of the building and into the street - God's what they did to him after that.

What is just as ugly as the beating is the text book gang/pack mentality of the "student" who will follow one self-proclaimed individual ( nut-case ) without thinking for themselves.

I agree with Chris Hein, there is no reason that fight should have too place. IMO, it was for Blythe's warped sense of self- importance. Completely and easily avoidable.

You have to have serious issues to partake in, support, and allow such a thing cowardly thing to happen.

Martial arts should not be taught to such demented degenerates of poor character, as Blythe and his back-ward minions. But, they are, and this is why they shouldn't. I guess money changes everything. :yuck:

Yea, it angered me.

K. Abrams 08-20-2009 08:02 PM

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Quote:

Mary Malmros wrote: (Post 238318)
Oh, those horrible awful violent karate people, not like us peaceful enlightened aikidoka.

No, this has nothing to do with karate. The Bobby Joe guy is psychopathic. If you read his description of the video in his original posting of it, he brags about planning to set up and trash that poor man who is obviously emotionally disabled.

Anyone who would entrap a mentally disabled person who didn't want to fight to begin with (he only wanted to show his forms), is a sicko.


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