YouTube: Christian Tissier, 2014
Here is an Aikido video of Christian Tissier (7th dan) teaching at Cercle Tissier in Vincennes, Paris in December, 2015. The video includes English subtitles when he is speaking in French. What are your thoughts on this video? -- Jun |
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Good to see fresh evolution in Tissier.
I particularly like his statement at 9:18: "Forget that you are aikidoka." |
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i consider the shiho nage shown here is potentially dange ous inasmuch Uke is receiving the waza in a manner that could easily damage his elbow/shoulder joint.Note Ukes elbow joint position. mid throw.I feel that there appears to be little regard shown by Tissier Sensei to this question of safety .Uke due to pressure on the elbow joint has to do in this situation an over the top ukemi. Looks good but is it necessary or required to hoist uke ?I think not. Cheers,Joe. |
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I agree, Joe. I also don't think that throwing hard demonstrates effective technique. I have always though he looks pretty muscly.
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By all means throw a person, but I do not think using anybody as a crash test dummy or a bit of human cannon fodder is the way to go.If one wishes to be capable of doing aikido for decades you have to take care of your body.i had been hoisted around in my day, but my joints are now a bit suspect.your body has to last you a lifetime, why let anybody subject your body to undue stress? Could it be showmanship, a bit of look how good I am???Hope all is well, with you,Joe |
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There were others who threw even worse. Uke had to jump high to prevent fractures. Tissiers way of throwing has more a leading charakter, it's actually soft. |
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You may we ll be right Tissier Senseis waza might be soft.Then again how do you define soft?Not only that some person watching Tissier Sensei might not be so soft in an application.I still say the vid shows potential for elbow damage.Ony art 2.51 approx does he do a Shiho Nage which I think is safe .Most of the others are elbow breakers.Why do you think Uke jumps? Cheers, Joe. |
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On these "unsafe" Shihonages, the uke's other hand is free to strike. In the video the uke's are careful to keep that hand "dead", not to show the reversal.
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If you cannot see this any more, it's no shiho nage. But I never heard about that Tissier broke any elbow. There were others who damged people. Quote:
But it's ok for a skilled uke to be thrown like that, because he is able to protect himself. If he couldn't do, Tissier wouldn't throw him like that. It's about being not afraid and keeping the body relaxed. For me it's an important part of the development in Aikido. |
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Actually Tissier's shihonage is quite different from the way I have seen his teacher, Seigo Yamaguchi, do it. Alex |
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Where did Yamaguchi get his Aikido from? |
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But this "guy" was a daito-ryu guy, so he must have known this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcJgYKDJUw |
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The technique was designed to break the joints immediately. Normally ther was no chance given for ukemi. Before it came to the position you see on the Ueshiba-photo, in daito-ryu the breaking movement was implied. |
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But you do see that in the photo, the founder of the martial art of Aikido is doing shihonage differently from what Kondo demonstrates.
For whatever it's worth, this is also the way basic shihonage was taught by Saito sensei. |
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Taking your viewpoint to the extreme if Shiho Nage was developed to break elbows why not do this currently to students?I do not think any uke would appreciate a broken elbow.Our Health Cetres would be overwhelmed .Its not about being afraid or relaxed its about teachers using common sense and safe practice.If Tissier or anbody else took a beginner and threw him like shown would the junior survive? I think not. Cheers, Joe. |
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