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Max Factor 09-07-2001 10:03 AM

My jeep was broken into.
 
This morning has had some very interesting being… I got up at 10:00 to find the coffee all out no biggie the are a few bags in the down stairs I will just fill it up, In that adventure I managed to send coffee all over the sink and counter top. My only thought was what a morning with a small smile. But nothing could have shocked me more then what happened next. It is now 10:45, the police are at my door and I am playing some music maybe a little loud for this time in the morning. That was not why he was here my jeep had been broken into and they pulled some stuff out of the glove compartment but over all nothing big it was the gym bag with my aikido gear in it. Taken was a white belt, brown belt and my manual this was mind stumping because there was my weapons, palm pilot, some RAM for a compute and some cds…. things that I would think would be more appealing to a thief. As I talked with the police he was surprised at my reaction, because in my town people like to blow up things. I felt this was a good lesion for me, the hole morning, I started to ask myself could I have handled the situation with my jeep as calmly as I did with out the coffee??? I would like to think so…. has any one else had an experience?????




Thanks Nate
All things learned are learned in small steps

shihonage 09-07-2001 11:22 AM

Once, someone stole my gi and the old bag from the laundry.

I still haven't figured out what it could be possibly used for.

"Hey man, I got a uniform !"
"Is it hot ?"

lt-rentaroo 09-07-2001 11:49 AM

Hello,

Hmmm, not that it matters now; but was it a Jeep Wrangler or a Jeep Cherokee? A friend of mine has a Jeep Wrangler and he had some stuff removed from it by an unauthorized person as well. I've always wanted a Jeep Wrangler, soft top with the roll bar and everything; but I was worried that some worthless punk would break into it and steal my stuff. So, I went with the four door Jeep Cherokee. Sorry to hear about you misfortune, perhaps whomever took your bag thought there was something more valuable (at least for a thief) inside.

ian 09-10-2001 07:18 AM

Whenever something gets stolen it makes me consider where 'things' actually come from. i.e. you work hard to produce money and buy your jeep etc. But this is only possible because people have worked hard to produce the design and construct the jeep at a price we can afford (and possibly being 'underpaid'). In fact, the economic system has only come about through peoples efforts and through a system of laws and understanding, enabling us to own anything. Much of this comes down to the fact that resources (eg. land) were originally owned through someone in the past either having killed someone and taking it, or through just getting there first and saying 'this is mine', or through stealing. Therefore no-one really has a 'right' to ownership outside our own legal system.

In the animal kingdom it seems much fairer because if an animal (in general) requires resources from another animal it exerts energy and risks potential retribution in stealing it from another animal. This also means that any animal which has more than it can look after itself will be a target for other animals. However the legal system for humans operates to maintain a large division between those with and without resources through inheritance (or wealth which has been produced by others, or just taken) and through the police which ensure that those with more resources than they need can keep them.

I'm not saying that I encourage crime, nor that I'm not bothered when people steal things from me - I'm usually happier to have the convenience of a technologically advanced society. However it illustates that none of us really 'own' anything.

Ian

Steve Speicher 09-10-2001 08:05 AM

I think the Native Americans would agree with me when I quote,

"Property is theft."

Steve 09-10-2001 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Speicher
I think the Native Americans would agree with me when I quote,

"Property is theft."

I doubt it. Native North Americans were always at war with each other for control of land or other resources. Plains indians had to follow the herds and if it was a hard year then they might have to fight with the neighbors to get close enough to hunt. Agrarian tribes had to stake claim to land that they could farm. If not owned by individuals, these acres were, at least, owned by the community. As with all cultures, property is only theft when someone is trying to take your property.

Steve Speicher 09-10-2001 01:26 PM

I do not think you are fully understanding the quote.
No offense, just that the meaning extends deeper than the literal one. And it actually comes from a series of quotes about 'property', I'll have to search out the other two.

Later,

SimonW11 09-12-2001 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Speicher
I do not think you are fully understanding the quote.
No offense, just that the meaning extends deeper than the literal one. And it actually comes from a series of quotes about 'property', I'll have to search out the other two.

Later,

Proudhoun (I am sure I spelt that wrong)

"When you ask me "what is slavery?" and "I say murder!" You understand me. Why then do you not understand when you ask "what is property?" and I say "theft!"

those french guys like dramatics.


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